Hi! First, some clarifications:
The possible measures and use limitations were only provided as an example what can be observed and measured and what could be limited before earning enough trust in a wat that would be much more effective and less annoying than captchas. It was not a specific proposal, but listing possibilities to spark the debate. Probably not all measures and all limitations are needed and proposals for improvements are welcome. We don't need to implement every feature from every example site, but we have the chance to review those tried examples and see how their system would work for us, and pick only the best features. Now some specific issues: Fixing subway stations in Rome wouldn't be prohibited to newcomers if they limit themselves for that day to Rome, encouraging them to focus on an area rather than jumping around the globe changing things (True value of OSM is _local_ knowledge!). They could be first only allowed to map within some kilometers around their home, but that might be too restrictive and demotivating. As for number of daily affected nodes the number shouldn't be too low, but low enough to prevent moving or deleting whole cities (whether accidental or malicious) or importing some data without consulting the community (about legal and technical issues) and having some help from experienced members. Let's admit that adding Arabic names to all countries isn't something a newcomer would be doing in his first months. Due to seasonal mapping (eg. only during summer) we could prolong the time after which points start to decay, or make it significantly slower or drop decaying altogether. Although after some consecutive years of no activity it might be safe to pronounce someone dead (in terms of further OSM contributions, at least for statistical reasons). For simplicity's sake and easier understanding points could be summarized in at most 5 discrete levels, and additional rights given to users according to those levels. Levels could be stated in place where that is needed, eg. mappers near me, so i know who i can ask some local mapping question, probably also shown in profiles (publicly or jut to account owners). Better support for mentoring could also be very good thing. Involving other systems wouldn't mean a user has to use all of them, but perhaps 2 of them constructively and not doing extremely annoying things in others to be considered more trusted. This would also allow people to shift focus (eg editing wiki in winter) while maintaining their points or even gaining new ones. Here even map editing api, track uploads and diaries could be considered as separate systems. Randomly checked changesets also seem nice. But it might be hard to check the first mapper in a blan area Spam in diaries is existing fact. Volume is orders of magnitude lower than in email but even that could be eliminated or filtering can be crowdsourced without annoying admins (while still annoying those that encounter it before it is tagged by enough people). Overall, there should be very low threshold before user is given almost the same permissions as now (curently no limits,so even a new sock puppet account could be used to import some commercial maps in hopes of "legalizing" them this way for their use), starting with a limited set of rights, and very trusted ones would get additional powers. There were also some comments in wiki [1] and additional example site [2] was given there, so please let us not disregard those in further discussion. Also we should give people at SOTM some time to digest their mails and give some opinions. They are hopefully using their time there for better things than reading email :) Stefan [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Stefanb/TrustPoints [2] http://stackoverflow.com/faq#reputation _______________________________________________ talk mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
