Lucky you - I have never seen a Definitive Statement that is that detailed -
in fact it is not a Definitive Statement (upon which the original Definitive
Map will have been based)! It is the text of a Definitive Map Modification
Order making a specific amendment to a specific path or paths (in this case
footpaths 6 and 26 in the parish of Dullingham). The DS is likely to be
decades old - a DMMO is current.
 
The second issue is that the text uses OS GRs throughout - so what is the
status as a derivative work?
 
Mike Harris
 


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From: Barnett, Phillip [mailto:phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk] 
Sent: 25 September 2009 18:24
To: 'Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)'; 'Dave F.'
Cc: 'OSM Talk'
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?




+1

The 'definitive statement' is the only thing from the local authority that
we can really use, but that is surprisingly detailed. Here's an example of a
path modification in Cambridgeshire

"The above Order made on 30 May 2006, if confirmed as made, will modify the

Definitive Map and Statement for the area by adding to them two public
footpaths.

The first (No. 26) starts on the southern side of Stetchworth Road, passes
through

a field gate at Ordnance Survey Grid Reference TL6340 5783 (point A) and
runs as

a grassed path in a southerly direction on the eastern side of a mature
hedge for

approximately 283m to OS GR TL6344 5755 (point B), then turns to run in a

westerly direction for approximately 220m as a grassed path on the southern
side

of a ditch and hedge to join Public Footpath No.6, Dullingham through a
field gate

at OS GR TL6323 5752 (point C). The width is 2m from A-B and 1m from B-C.

The second (No. 27) starts at a point on Public Footpath No.26 Dullingham at
OS

GR TL6344 5755 (point B), and runs through a field gate, continuing as a
grass

path in an easterly, southerly and then easterly direction for approximately
320m

around the western and southern edges of the properties at Dullingham Ley to
join

Ley Road at OS GR TL6370 5749 (point D). The width is 1m.

 

Phillip

 


 
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From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org]
On Behalf Of Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Sent: 25 September 2009 16:16
To: 'Dave F.'
Cc: 'OSM Talk'
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?

 

It does seem that what is needed here is not the definitive map but rather
the survey data the two surveyors gathered. As others have said if that data
has been overlain onto an OS map there is no way of knowing what is derived
and what is not. Not unless the bod from the council is prepared to stick
their neck out and confirm otherwise. As a result the OS would take issue
because their data forms part of the definitive map.

 

Cheers

 

Andy

 


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From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org]
On Behalf Of Dave F.
Sent: 25 September 2009 3:16 PM
Cc: OSM Talk
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?

 

Tom Hughes wrote: 

On 25/09/09 14:30, Dave F. wrote: 



The map he sent is titled as a Definitive Map. It has an OS underlay, 
but the information laid on top is compiled from Council gathered info. 
eg GPS survey equipment from an independent company employed to produce 
the definitive maps. 


Do you know for absolute certainty that every single detail was gathered
from first principles like that? If it was then it is a very unusual bit of
local council mapping as they are not generally that scrupulously careful...


Well... not every detail, no, but there was a report in the local newspaper:
"Two surveyors will be walking virtually every one of the 560 miles of
footpath in the area."
And also in the Council produced pamphlet where two people were shown
holding their very nice big yellow GPS units.

Isn't every council having to do the same to produce their Definitive Maps?


The reason of course is that they have a license to do what they like with
OS data so it largely doesn't matter to them whether they derive things from
it (well at least until they try and overlay that data on a google map and
get nastygrams from the OS). 

Tom 

 


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