On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:50 PM, Tom Hughes wrote:

> On 23/02/10 21:46, SteveC wrote:
> 
>> On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:46 PM, Tom Hughes wrote:
>> 
>>> Did you read the long blog post I wrote the next morning where I attempted 
>>> to be more constructive?
>> 
>> No, sorry Tom, where was that?
> 
> http://compton.nu/2010/02/redesigning-the-openstreetmap-web-site/

Cool makes a lot of sense, Tom.

As you can see from uservoice, things you highlight like routing are very 
important to people out there. You might also have seen the misconception in 
blog posts back and forth last week with GIS guys that they thought OSM was 
simply unroutable because we don't expose it. Properly explaining why that is 
(bringing the service in house) and then doing it is I guess the right way 
forward.

As for the approach... I'm really not sure a hack weekend would work. Say we 
got a designer in for a weekend. They'd actually want to sit in photoshop for 
some period of time and then iterate the design, then code that the HTML, then 
bolt all the functionality and so on. Could we really do any of the first bits 
in a hack weekend?

So I'd say it'd be more efficient and get wider input, to iterate it out here 
on the interwebs and then code in the functionality over a hack weekend maybe, 
or refine and tweak etc.

I know a bunch of people don't like uservoice, but it's actually got some good 
stuff in there now and it's what I was planning to use to iterate the design 
feedback. A bunch of people are using it, I posit because 1) it's so easy and 
2) you can vote nicely on things...

Here's my proposal for next steps:

* put the html etc in svn or git or whatever
* use uservoice for consensus on features to fix first (have a look, lots of 
good stuff)
* pay the html guy to go do it
* iterate like this 5-10 times at least

if you think there's a better and more inclusive system than uservoice, or 
anyone wants to do the actual work, please of course let me know but right now 
I'm just trying to actually move it forward bit by bit...

and again, I'm positing uservoice just for the feedback here, whatever actual 
feedback and bug system to use is as up in the air as anything else.

It would be helpful to get deep and broad thoughts from the sysadmins on what 
the different bug system technical requirements are fo ryou guys too?

Yours &c.

Steve
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