On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:42 PM, SteveC <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for your thoughtful comments...
And I hope you've taken some of them on board. > You don't seem to make any realistic suggestions for moving forward and just, > instead, suggest potlatch is fine as is the front page. That doesn't seem to > be in touch with the reality of every newbie who encounters the project, does > it? That's not what I said, and it's not what I believe either. Please don't misrepresent me. You should know both from the time you employed me to work on these issues, and discussions we've had since, that your accusation here is false. But it's a nice sidestep of the issue I was discussing. > Sure, you don't like the way I communicate sometimes Hmm. It sounds to me like you don't think you've done anything wrong? I notice you don't write "Sure, I'm grossly offensive without due cause sometimes", but instead infer that the issue isn't the way you behave, instead it's that other people dislike your behaviour. > but do you have any ideas at all on improving things other than the status > quo and pissing on someone for doing anything? Yes I do. You should know, since I've discussed them with you before. But since you disagree with them, it's probably easier for you to accuse me of suggesting that everything is fine, and then portray me as a malcontent holding the project back. Alternatively: * Steve goes and reads "Art of Community" * Steve apologies - without caveats - regarding his demeaning of existing developers work * Steve re-reads http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Developer_community , which he originally wrote * We all work constructively on motivating our developers and nurturing new ones. * We acknowledge that the developers actually know what they are talking about. On the user experience: * Work continues on Potlatch2 * We make available the rails_port in a DVCS (e.g. git), to encourage experimentation * We implement the ideas on branches and see what works: ** this redesign, ** the previous redesign from CloudMade ** OSB integration, ** the "minor UI improvements" list ** Integrating Walking Papers into the main site ** Integration of routing ** More layers on the map ** and other suggestions * Add a javascript click-tracker to see what people actually press * Focus redesigns on making things easier to understand, rather than removing options * Run multiple hack weekends, with the aims of encouraging new rails_port contributors, and existing developers to work on these topics If you want to spend money on achieving the above, then sponsoring existing developers to do the work, or sponsor someone to aid new developers (through documentation and engagement etc) would be my recommendation. Or hire a venue for hack weekends, buy pizza, fund travel and so on. These are all things that have worked great before. If you want to spend time on the above, then engaging with the existing developers and finding out what they want help with would be my recommendation. > and everyone of 'our' generation is intensely negative. Not surprising, given that it appears that the more work you've done for the project, the more likely it is to be attacked for their efforts. Cheers, Andy _______________________________________________ talk mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
