Am 03.05.2010 21:12, schrieb Felix Hartmann: > My actual position on this is, I will write a wiki page, with a note to > say bug off people against unofficial routes (because for mountainbiking > they will in a matter of days be largely more than signposted routes), > we will tag them route:unofficial:mtb=name and eveyone should give their > favourite routes a hefty go. People are much more interested in nice > routes than in difficulty, but according to tagwatch more than 25.000 > ways have mtb:scale information, compared with maybe 50 mtb routes. > > If in OSM we really want to get in more mountainbikers, we have to start > with unofficial routes. I will think about it for the night, and put up > a wiki page tomorrow, put some notices on this on the big forums > (hopefully they will get ~5000 pageviews, put them in my feedburner > newsletter (1200 recipients) and as of next Friday render unofficial routes. > > Once we have more than 500 unofficial routes (I'ld say this takes no > more than 14 days), I will take out official routes form my maps, except > if they are labelled with additional information to make sure they are > not a trekking bike route labelled as mtb route. > > If someone starts kicking them out, we could take out their submissions > using a bot if they really feel like starting an edit war. It won't be > much worse than in the Russian military discussion, will it? > > I don't give a damn what Andy or some other people say. For me the only > rule in OSM and that counts, is that as long as you're not destructing > the work of others (like say you put in paragliding routes that make > editing a pain for everyone else) or largely irrelevant data that > clutters the database so it becomes unusable, just let them do it (hey, > in Austria we likely still have 20% of data junk from plan.at, and I > don't even want to start about the crap data in the USA). The amount of > information is nothing compared to all the remarks by bots and editors > or on imports.
Hi Felix! Reading a lot of what you write makes me feel pretty sad. These "some other people" you are talking about actually spend several years of their life - before your appearance here - to bring OSM to something you seem to value enough for your ideas. Is it really your intention to start a bot edit war if "they don't confirm to what I want"? Is this really your way to spread your idea and *convince* people that you have a good idea? What I'm missing here is - respect of other peoples work. There seems to be a wide concensus in OSM that we don't want to tag something like "this is my favourite route" - at least that's basically what I understood what you want to do. I'm not saying this is a concensus set in stone for the next hundred years, but convincing people by telling them "I will ask my 1000 MTB friends if you disagree" and "I will write a bot" is very certainly *not* the way to change peoples mind. Regards, ULFL _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
