Jukka, I think the issue about messing up relations is almost the definition of a 'simple editor' - if it needs to do things with relations, it is getting too complex and a full featured editor should be used instead.
The one I was talking about only lets you change specific tags on nodes or ways, or add nodes. Changing geometry or doing complicated things like splitting ways (which is where I think the risk comes from with regard to relations?) is beyond the scope of the 'simple' editor. Therefore I think such a simple editor would be useful for new users to shield them from the underlying complexity, while making a valuable contribution to the project. (if I have got the above wrong and there is scope to break something with the editor I was talking about, we should take this discussion back to the dev-list!). Graham. On 21 August 2010 17:25, Jukka Rahkonen <[email protected]>wrote: > Graham Jones <grahamjones139 <at> googlemail.com> writes: > > > > > > > Hi, > > I think improving the documentation for new users (and experienced ones > too!) > is a really good idea - I think we lack information for the casual new > user. > > > > The disadvantage of directing this group to Potlatch is that they need to > understand quite a few concepts before they can really do anything (nodes, > ways, > tags, the fact that there is no definitive list of approved tags etc. > etc.). > > This mail from developer mailing list is also worth reading: > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2010-August/020239.html > > An excerpt from that mail says (please read the whole message still to > understand what is the meaning of 'simple editor') > > "The OSM data model is complex and sophisticated, and any > attempts at a 'simple' editor will simply mess up other peoples work. > Especially when you start touching relations, which seeing as > relations themselves involve nodes and ways that's pretty much any > editor." > > OSM statistics at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Stats > are showing that the number of active OSM contributers stopped growing > about one > year ago. Perhaps one reason for that is just the complex and sophisticated > data > model, together with growing interest of creating relations and editors > which > cannot hide the complexity yet. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: [email protected]
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