The question was discussed on the Russian osm-forum, we decided to leave the borders as they are now, not to start a war of edits with Georgian osmers, as Georgia does not recognize Abkhazia or South Osetia as independet countries. I think it would be wise to leave it as it is now not to create conflicts.
Kirill 2010/9/24 Tiziano D'Angelo <[email protected]>: > Hello everyone, > I am new on this list, but active on talk-it since some time, so forgive me > if this has been already discussed here... > I've been looking at the Caucasus region in where I was recently and [1] I > noticed some anomalies: > > - Azerbaijan border with Georgia, but it is not marked as country but region > boundary [2] with tag: admin_level: 2 border_type: nation boundary: > administrative left: country: GE name: International Border - Georgia - > Azerbaijan right: country: AZ . Is it some error? > - The administrative boundary between some regions and autonomous republics > of North Caucasus was marked as country border [3] while it should be merely > an administrative one > > - Depending on the points of view, the border Georgia / Abkhazia [4] now > marked as an administrative can be marked as country border. For example, > Kosovo is marked likewise (with a country border), although not recognized > internationally by the majority of countries (36% of the total recognize it) > and it isn't even listed on ISO-3166-1 / UN [5], as well as Abkhazia (4 UN > member states recognize it). > From a "de facto" point of view (and for some countries "de jure") Abkhazia > is a fully independent state from Georgia (I noticed it personally while > there) and as far as the Georgians say, it is no longer under Georgia's > influence or control and it will be like that also in the future. What would > you say to a cartographic point of view? from a tourist point of view, for > example, it is a separate entity from Georgia (you pass a border control, > there is a visa...), so a tourist-oriented map would logically draw it as a > separate country. > Generally speaking about any kind of disputed terriories, is there any way > to keep both POV tagging boundaries as "Disputed" / "Recognized by Some > states"/"something else"? > Then, if we want to develop OSM in this country, it goes without saying that > if locals will see the boundaries as they are now (as part of Georgia > region, unrealistic and not corresponding to reality), they will never agree > to use OSM! ... while it would be reasonable to use OSM extensively, since > for example Google has no map of Abkhazia, and instead there's something > already on OSM. > > - what is the standard for naming of places? What has to be put in name, in > int_name tags? Which is the scale of priority? local language I suppose... > so capital of Abkhazia, Sukhum, should be tagged as name=Аҟəа (local > abkhazian name) name:ru=Сухум name:ka= სოხუმი , int_name=Sukhum; Sukhumi ; > etc... > Is there a way to simultaneously display multiple names (like Google Maps > showing the name in Cyrillic and transliterated Russian or English version)? > Thanks > > Cheers > Tiziano > > [1] http://osm.org/go/zVFKP-- > [2] http://osm.org/go/zUWINC-- > [3] http://osm.org/go/zVSvI > [4] http://osm.org/go/x...@mcdp- > [5] > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Nations_Political_Boundaries > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > _______________________________________________ talk mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
