Hi Frederik, On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:34 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > I was just pointing out that if a number of people decide to put up tents > somewhere, that place might be a "camp" but not a "camp site", certainly not > one in the sense of tourism=camp_site. (Hint: A camp site is still a camp > site even when there are no tents.)
I appreciate your argument that tourism=camp_site might not be the correct tag. I would quibble about the distinction between "camp" and "camp_site"; the #occupy camps are not officially signed or recognized as camp sites, yet they may be so in terms of the on-the-ground rule. In most of the cases where camps have been cleared by police, the protestors have returned and erected new tents. So instead of camps, are they perhaps temporary/provisional/unofficial camp sites? It seems like the crux of the issue is whether the tourism=camp_site tag is meant to exclude all non-touristic camps and camp sites. Or is not relevant that this tag uses the "tourism" key? Couldn't it just as easily have used the leisure, amenity or landuse tag? > The mapping of an #occupy camp itself does not have a political aspect; > what's there on the ground can be mapped. However, attracting above-par > visibility to such a camp by purposefully mis-tagging it as a > "tourism=camp_site" *does* have a political aspect, and would only be > permissible if carried by a vast majority of the project as was the case with > Haiti. I disagree that this is a question about tagging for the renderer. I think the question is whether tourism=camp_site is used and interpreted broadly enough to include a protest camp. If it is interpreted loosely, then using that tag is not "attracting above-par visibility". Also, if we do choose new tags, (and assuming they get onto the mapnik rendering) I would hope that they would be no more or less visible than tourism=camp_site already is, so it's not an attempt to jump up in zoom levels. Personally I think there would be little harm in using the tourism key in this case, but others may disagree. > I think the #occupy camps should be mapped in all detail, with special tags, > and someone should take it upon them to make specialist maps where these tags > are rendered. (Our best zoom level, 18, is not very suitable for camps > anyway, you would want to have 19 or 20 to make a proper camp map.) Good point. This alone might be a good enough reason to use a special rendering, or not use OSM altogether. Alan _______________________________________________ talk mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
