Hi, On 03/29/2012 04:53 PM, Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
First of all, there's not enough proof of copyright violation. There's no proof that assumed deravative work is generated using our work
That was my position initially as well but it has meanwhile been proven beyond reasonable doubt, and publicly admitted by a senior Bing guy on IRC. Details are, mostly in German, on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing/2012_Germany_Military_Blurring. People have painstakingly compared the blurring boundaries and OSM data and found an overwhelming number of exact matches, and since these areas were not imported but hand-traced/mapped by many different mappers, it is near impossible that any other data source should have these polygons like that.
I can't comment on the *scale* of the copyright violation. I am however slightly unhappy about two *style* issues:
1. Six weeks ago, Bing said they'd rework the blurring to not use our data, but this seems not to have happened yet. If they knew it takes so long, they could at least have added our attribution in the mean time.
2. We never got an apology - neither for the fact that they used and are still using our data without attribution, nor for the fact that they initially denied having used our data and it took them ten days to confess. Had they, like others in similar situations, said "we'd like to apologize for the cock-up and we promise to fix it", then nobody would have said anything. But all we got from them is "We understand this is objectionable to some members of the OSM community but based on our very good relationship we hope and thank you for your understanding and patience." - read it slowly: "We understand this is objectionable to some" sounds like "we see no reason to apologize just because a few pedants make a fuss".
Frankly, I would have expected more from someone who believes that they have a "very good relationship" with the OSM community.
And even if there is violation, one thing for sure - as several people in this tread already said, this doesn't make Bing photos automatically CC-BY-SA, no matter how someone would like this.
Probably right.
Also in this case not all photos are impacted, only those with blured bits.
The photos from which the tiles are cut are quite large ;) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [email protected] ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" _______________________________________________ talk mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
