2012/10/18 Eric Marsden <[email protected]>: >>>>>> "fr" == Frederik Ramm <[email protected]> writes: > > fr> If I do that, would that change the attitude towards the "separate > fr> account" question, or would it be a a waste of time? > > Frederik, you are focussing on the technical ramifications of this > rather narrow "separate account" issue, but in fact, as many of us > have tried to explain multiple times, the real issues are more > fundamental: > > - the legitimacy of the OSMF DWG concerning monitoring of imports (and > blocking accounts on this basis) is unclear. The DWG mandate, as per > its web page on OSMF's web site, does not include monitoring > imports. I have seen no deliberation of the OSMF board giving DWG > the right to block contributors (who are clearly neither sabotaging > the data nor making foolish beginners' mistakes) on the basis of its > interpretations of import guidelines (please look up the meaning of > the word "guidelines"). > > - the process which led the DWG to decide that a separate account > shall be necessary is absolutely opaque. A normal process for such > as change would be to explain your motivations, request feedback > from contributors (for instance via the talk mailing list), then > document the motivations and consequences on the wiki. You have only > documented this "requirement", which seems pulled out of your hat. > > - the way in which DWG is undertaking its monitoring+blocking, by > sending aggressive messages to contributors in a language which they > can be presumed not to understand, seemed pretty autistic at first, > and now seems arrogant and bigoted. Indeed, DWG members have continued > in the same way despite repeated attempts to explain the negative > impact that this is having on well-meaning contributors. > > - the way in which DWG has ignored proposals from French contributors > to help act as intermediaries in this respect makes it look like you > wish to avoid the constitution of well-structured local/national > communities, when (in my opinion) this is a major challenge for the > next years of Openstreetmap's growth. > > Note that none of these issues are specific to the "French community", > but concern OSMF governance, its values, its processes and its degree > of respect for local communities and for contributors. I have seen no > effort to address these issues, but rather significant avoidance of > our numerous messages asking for answers. Please consider changing > that. >
Thank you Eric to bring governance back to its center place. That was my original questions some times ago, but it has been turned into a cadastre endless pros/cons talk which helped a lot not answering those important questions. That was a month ago and most questions are still the same because unanswered. On Sept 18th (one month ago already) Frederik wrote: > DWG has also been looking for someone from France to join its ranks in order > to better liaise with the French community in case of problems like this but > we haven't had any applications. > and I answered: "I confirm you have one application, mine." I later confirmed my application (upon request) together with sly almost two weeks ago (Oct. 5th)... without any answer so far. Should I send it again ? Have you received it ? -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquest _______________________________________________ talk mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
