Floris Looijesteijn wrote:
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Lester Caine <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:Only if they can prove that anonymous activity on one is directly related to some identified activity on the other at an unrelated time ... I am sure a court would only accept a proven pattern rather than a vague relationship. I have a fixed IP address, so am identified, but I'm still happy that viewing a similar area does not constitute proof of any copying. Why an unrelated time? If they can find views (maybe even searches) for 1 or multiple areas and correlate those with 1 or multiple changesets on OSM they have the proof they want.
Well they still have to prove that you actually COPIED something during a search, but in my own case it may be several hours between cross checking data and any commit on OSM. Any bulk import I do on OSM will certainly not be related to activity on Goggle, I will only follow up later cross checking and adding missing detail as required, to material traced from bing imagery or surveyed on the ground. My point here is that while a third party could show that ways on OSM were copied directly from their own data, proving that an 'observation' was updated simply by looking at an image in Streetview or some other picture service is not something that is going to be provable legally. So using streetview as an occasional information source is just the same as any other source of publicly available information?
The original base of the thread was related to copying goggle information from goggle maps, which has been authorised in some instances. Streetview and other 'services' are a much more 'woolly' area, and I think all I am saying is that it is NOT something that would have a source=goggle tag - which should relate to legitimate copying. Anyone thinking they need to delete that content MUST first confirm that it is not legitimate as in the case identified IS the case.
The remaining question is probably "Is tagging some additional piece of data as source=google correct?" In my own case we are confirming business details which come from the business website, rather than from goggle, which only provided search results for that website. It could equally have been bing or yell that provided the data, and looking on Streetview for confirmation of a business location seems to be a legitimate use of Streetview ... although many of the businesses are not even accessible from Streetview anyway. So probably the question is "Should I be identifying all of the sources I've used when the final result is from a business website?"
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