Hi all,

I'm new to the mailing list here, though a long-time OSM contributor (user 
daveemtb). I have tried to search the archives to check this hasn't been 
covered recently but sorry if I missed it.

There's a really interesting project at http://www.openbmap.org/ which is an 
open database of WiFi access points and mobile phone cell locations, IDs etc. 
it also makes use of OSM maps.

I think it has a lot of potential to allow location based services to operate 
on a wide variety of devices without relying on closed geodata from Google etc 
(sound familiar?)

Unfortunately the project seems to be struggling from a lack of help from 
people with the relevant technical expertise. (I contacted the people currently 
running the project).

They are currently unable to update the maps of cells etc - there seems to be 
plenty in the database that isn't showing on maps yet, and I know from OSM how 
important rendering data is in encouraging people to contribute.

Is there anyone who would be able to help these guys out? Unfortunately my web 
coding and Android app writing skills are absolutely non-existant or I'd chip 
in myself.

Also, it should be possible to run the openBmap Android app in the background 
while recording OSM traces. Being able to contribute data to two open data 
projects at once seems pretty neat to me!

There are other databases (such as wigle.net) out there aiming to collect 
similar data via crowdsourcing, only to use the data for commercial purposes, 
which are getting more data contributions at the moment! :(  I suspect this is 
because the tools and output are better.

And I think people have debated integrating the data into OSM. I think this is 
impossible because triangulation between different observations over time is 
needed, even if it was desirable (which I'm not sure it is).

Anyway, hope this is of interest to some of you! I've found mapping wifi and 
cell locations to be an interesting add-on to OSM mapping.

David E
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