This reminds me : Do we have a collection of approved / acceptable texts for the agreement / statement somewhere? The only texts that I have seen (not that I would have looked for examples much) are the HOT templates for data contributions.
-Jaakko On Nov 21, 2013 5:22 AM, "Simon Poole" <[email protected]> wrote: > > (IMHO naturally) From a content pov, an agreement or a statement from a > contributing agency should be based roughly on the terms laid down in the > contributor terms ( > http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms). They > should mainly grant the OSMF the rights listed in (2) and it would be nice > if they would make a statement to the fact that they actually own the > necessary rights in the data to do so. > > Simon > > Am 20.11.2013 20:28, schrieb Fernando Trebien: > > It's a very similar situation indeed, Jaakko. Here such forms would take > years to get processed sometimes, it all depends on the good will of who > receives the request. I've noticed that this "will" is more responsive when > the person knows how to answer, or at least knows who to delegate the > request to (specially if this person is not a very specialized busy top > manager), so simple and easy questions are more effective at getting a > clear answer faster. > > Wish you luck as well! > > Fernando > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Jaakko Helleranta.com < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Same situation in Nicaragua. Many here say: Oh, it's all public domain! >> .. where they merely mean, We have it and can give it to you. Or: It's >> online and no one will protest (immediately at least) if you put it in OSM. >> >> The written permission (for which there are existing forms) is critical >> -- and I'm afraid that you'll likely not get that... >> >> Wishing you all the best, of course. >> >> Cheers, >> -Jaakko >> >> -- >> [email protected] * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +505-8845-3391 >> (Nicaragua) >> * Voice(mail) / SMS / What's app: +1-202-730-9778 * >> http://about.me/jaakkoh >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Fernando Trebien < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thank you, Simon. You are correct, the LABGEO cartographers I have >>> talked to don't seem to have access to any formal statement (contracts, >>> laws, etc.) that ensures the data is truly "public domain" as they say. It >>> is also possible that existing written statements would not clearly answer >>> essential questions concerning ODbL compatibility. Considering some other >>> problems (such as uninformed and uninterested Brazilian authorities, and >>> lack of court decisions that would help us interpret the law), I believe >>> that getting them to write down exactly what we need them to agree with >>> would be safer for us and also more productive for us and for them. >>> >>> Since these authorities often erroneously equate "public domain" with >>> "free" or "open" (not even knowing the differences between the two), I >>> believe the questions for them should be: >>> - how they expect their attribution to be visible to end users through >>> OSM; and >>> - whether the data can be used for commercial purposes. >>> >>> I don't know if these questions are enough, so I would like to hear >>> your opinions and suggestions. >>> >>> Finally, we have already studied the data and found the conversion >>> rather easy to do. Importing would probably require some coordinated >>> effort, but for now it is the legal aspect that completely prevents us from >>> beginning. Also, I think it would be fairer if the copyright page included >>> a linked to the wiki page you mentioned, so that all contributors enjoy >>> some similar level of visibility. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Fernando >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Simon Poole <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi Fernando >>>> >>>> I gather from your questions that they are currently not distributing >>>> the data under a (well-)known licence or on any other documented terms? >>>> >>>> In any case before spending to much effort on trying to nail down the >>>> legal side, you really need to clarify if this is suitable data for OSM and >>>> if yes, if there is a process that will result in something that is >>>> digestible by the Brazilian community. So I would strongly suggest at least >>>> starting with the steps outlined in >>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines >>>> >>>> As to being mentioned on http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright , >>>> there is no written in stone policy who gets on that page, in the past it >>>> seems to have been used as an extra bargaining chip in negotiation. Being >>>> listed there does not in any way indicate that the contributions are or >>>> were more important than contributions from the individuals and >>>> organisations listed here >>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors . Clearly there is a >>>> practical desire to keep the list on the copyright page as short as >>>> possible. Down the road we may have better mechanisms to build the >>>> attribution pages and then that may change. So for now it would depend on >>>> the outcome of any necessary negotiations. >>>> >>>> Simon >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 14.11.2013 18:58, schrieb Fernando Trebien: >>>> >>>> Hello everyone, >>>> >>>> I've recently contacted an institute (LABGEO) within a public >>>> university here in Brazil (UFRGS) and they've shown interest in >>>> contributing to OSM their data, which includes roads, land contours, >>>> vegetation data, maybe even geological data (it is a pretty extensive >>>> database). They would also like to be listed as a contributor here in this >>>> page: http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright >>>> >>>> Though there may be a few details left to check yet, they've stated so >>>> far that the dada is already regularly used for commercial purposes by many >>>> Brazilian companies at zero cost. So here's my question: what kind of >>>> statement do they have to provide so that they get listed in that page? >>>> What questions does the statement need to answer? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Fernando Trebien >>>> +55 (51) 9962-5409 <%2B55%20%2851%29%209962-5409> >>>> >>>> "The speed of computer chips doubles every 18 months." (Moore's law) >>>> "The speed of software halves every 18 months." (Gates' law) >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> legal-talk mailing >>>> [email protected]https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> legal-talk mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Fernando Trebien >>> +55 (51) 9962-5409 >>> >>> "The speed of computer chips doubles every 18 months." (Moore's law) >>> "The speed of software halves every 18 months." (Gates' law) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> legal-talk mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> legal-talk mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk >> >> > > > -- > Fernando Trebien > +55 (51) 9962-5409 > > "The speed of computer chips doubles every 18 months." (Moore's law) > "The speed of software halves every 18 months." (Gates' law) > > > _______________________________________________ > legal-talk mailing > [email protected]https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk > > > > _______________________________________________ > legal-talk mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk > >
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