I've seen km/h speed limits in the US. There's even a sign standard for these, and the Federal Highway Administration is recommending the new signs over the existing MPH signs (tonnes and km/h are circled on the sign, obsolete units have no circle).
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Philip Barnes <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sun, 2014-08-10 at 15:13 +0100, John Sturdy wrote: > > I wonder whether these "incorrect speed limit" notes might not be > > reporting that the speed limit on the map isn't what it is on the > > road, but someone objecting to what the speed limit on the road is, > > and making a token protest about it? > > > Most I have seen are plain ridiculous. Apart from the obvious error of > using kph in the UK, and USA? Many are 0 (impossible or 10 (really > unlikely). The only valid speed I have found was telling me that the > speed limit on the M25 is 70mph, which was of course already tagged. > > There is a lot of accidental misuse of notes, where they are used to tag > "meet here", "the site" and so on. These are things that should use the > share button, but the misuse is understandable, the word note does not > imply suggest improvement or highlight omission. A note in normal usage > is something private and informal. > > It would be interesting to know where these speed limit notes are coming > from, if an app is posting then it is only good manners to say who you > are. > > Speed limits are an area in which we are lacking in many areas, but they > are also something that needs careful surveying. I am certainly working > on these where I can. But it is a slow process, notes highlighting a > missing speed limit in a cul-de-sac are not likely to make any mapper > change their mapping plan. > > Phil (trigpoint) > > > > On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 1:24 PM, JB <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Have a look there: > > > https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/486 > > > If categories are create (and I think they should), I would still add > > > private notes/heavy duty work > > > JB. > > > > > > Le 10/08/2014 14:10, Matthijs Melissen a écrit : > > > > > >> I see a lot of comments like this. The underlying problem seems to be > > >> that it is not clear whether notes are meant for armchair mappers, or > > >> for surveyors in the field. > > >> > > >> I think both types of notes are useful: that way the notes can serve > > >> as a two-way communication between mappers in the field (for example > > >> novices who don't know how to edit the map themselves) and armchair > > >> mappers (who might want to communicate with mappers in the field if > > >> they are unable to do a field check themselves at that moment). > > >> > > >> So the solution might be very simple: make two types of notes, 'desk' > > >> notes and 'field' notes. The desk notes can be handled by armchair > > >> mappers. The field notes need a check in the field. Notes created by > > >> anonymous users should be desk notes by default, and if information is > > >> missing, the armchair mapper should be able to turn it into a field > > >> note. > > >> > > >> The notes JB refers seem to be field-type notes. I think they are > > >> useful, and I think it's not helpful if armchair mappers try to close > > >> all of them without doing a survey. > > >> > > >> Anyone think a split in field and desk notes is a good idea? > > >> Implementation of this should be easy. > > >> > > >> -- Matthijs > > >> > > >> On 10 August 2014 11:50, JB <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Hello, > > >>> I think I will reopen the debate here, by asking a simple question: > how > > >>> many > > >>> of those saying "hey, let this note open, it does no harm to anybody" > > >>> have > > >>> actually browsed a country for its opened notes and tried to close > them? > > >>> How > > >>> many have done the same with openstreetbugs during its last year of > life? > > >>> If you have not, let me tell you, loud and clear: the note database > will > > >>> become unusable soon. When you browse 10 notes and are forced to > leave 9 > > >>> open because it does provide no clean information, you just stop > trying. > > >>> That is why during OSB close up, I found so many notes of that kind > > >>> (continue the path, this is wrong, this does not exist, etc.), that > where > > >>> just not clear enough, or where just too old (the correction had been > > >>> done > > >>> without OSB), and most of them where more than 2 years old. And this > is > > >>> why > > >>> OSB was a mess in the end. > > >>> I have tried to keep the DB clean in France, am still trying by > beeing > > >>> less > > >>> narrow-minded, but I just see its quality decreasing every day. > > >>> So I do not have the exact number, but adding some 10s of little > valued > > >>> notes every week saying "this speed limit may be wrong", some of them > > >>> added > > >>> by error (not along a highway) does not seem an improvement to the > notes > > >>> DB > > >>> to me. > > >>> JB. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Le 10/08/2014 09:42, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > > >>> > > >>>>> Il giorno 09/ago/2014, alle ore 13:56, Norbert Wenzel > > >>>>> <[email protected]> ha scritto: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> just seeing these notes along a > > >>>>> motorway every few kilometers. And since these messages don't tell > what > > >>>>> the actual speed limit should be and where it starts it gets really > > >>>>> annoying to close all these automatically generated notes. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> why are you closing them, if you can't solve the issue? I would keep > > >>>> them > > >>>> open, if you are not sure that the limit is correct in OSM > > >>>> > > >>>> cheers, > > >>>> Martin > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> talk mailing list > > >>>> [email protected] > > >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> talk mailing list > > >>> [email protected] > > >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> talk mailing list > > >> [email protected] > > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > talk mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > > _______________________________________________ > > talk mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >
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