I have just added this comment to the page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Proposed_features/hazard Subdivision of the hazard namespace
To me it would come naturally to subdivide the namespace as follows for different users of the road: - hazard:general= - hazard:pedestrian= - hazard:motor_vehicle= - hazard:bicycle= - etc. (This could absorb 1:1 the existing cycle_hazard tagging) The main reason for such a subdivision is obviously that the hazards for the different users are different." On 8 March 2015 at 13:00, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send talk mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of talk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: High load on the rendering servers? (Simon Poole) > 2. Re: High load on the rendering servers? (Eugene Alvin Villar) > 3. Re: High load on the rendering servers? (Tom Hughes) > 4. Re: High load on the rendering servers? (Christoph Hormann) > 5. Re: Mapping dangerous bicycle locations? (Martin Koppenhoefer) > 6. Re: Mapping dangerous bicycle locations? (Stefan Keller) > 7. Re: Mapping dangerous bicycle locations? (Tobias Preuss) > 8. Re: Mapping dangerous bicycle locations? (Martin Koppenhoefer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2015 23:15:47 +0100 > From: Simon Poole <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] High load on the rendering servers? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > Jon Burgess tracked the issue down to a way node being dragged from > Japan to Brazil on the 3rd of this month, creating a very very long way > that increased the rendering time for a large number of tiles at high > zoom levels. > > Simon > > Am 07.03.2015 um 21:39 schrieb Grant Slater: > > Hi Andrew, > > > > Yes were are aware there is an issue. We haven't yet tracked down the > issue. > > We have been discussing it in #osm-dev on http://irc.openstreetmap.org > today. > > > > Kind regards, > > Grant > > Part of the OSM sysadmin > > > > > > On 6 March 2015 at 15:20, Andrew Guertin <[email protected]> wrote: > >> For the past few days, lots of things I've changed haven't had their > tiles > >> re-rendered, and I noticed that the servers are reporting very high > load and > >> lots of dropped tiles: http://munin.openstreetmap.org/renderd-week.html > >> > >> Based on my (completely uneducated) reading of the graphs there, it > looks > >> like something is filling the Priority Request Queue and keeping it > full, > >> and there's very little time for anything else. (It looks like the > Request > >> Queue and the Low Priority Request Queue are also being kept full). > >> > >> Anyone know what's causing this? > >> > >> --Andrew > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> talk mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > _______________________________________________ > > talk mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 473 bytes > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20150307/7a03e42f/attachment-0001.sig > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2015 12:28:14 +0800 > From: Eugene Alvin Villar <[email protected]> > To: Simon Poole <[email protected]> > Cc: OpenStreetMap <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] High load on the rendering servers? > Message-ID: > < > caphqi6lp9msyrvsjlweplpz6e3glxl6bzrk3pru_f0gmaiz...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 6:15 AM, Simon Poole <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Jon Burgess tracked the issue down to a way node being dragged from > > Japan to Brazil on the 3rd of this month, creating a very very long way > > that increased the rendering time for a large number of tiles at high > > zoom levels. > > > > Wow. This constitutes an extremely simple way to mount a DoS attack on the > OSM tileservers. I will have to assume that the Operations WG is already > thinking of ideas on how to prevent this possibility in the future. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20150308/b853e2b8/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2015 08:45:51 +0000 > From: Tom Hughes <[email protected]> > To: Eugene Alvin Villar <[email protected]>, Simon Poole > <[email protected]> > Cc: OpenStreetMap <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] High load on the rendering servers? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > On 08/03/15 04:28, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 6:15 AM, Simon Poole <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > Jon Burgess tracked the issue down to a way node being dragged from > > Japan to Brazil on the 3rd of this month, creating a very very long > way > > that increased the rendering time for a large number of tiles at high > > zoom levels. > > > > > > Wow. This constitutes an extremely simple way to mount a DoS attack on > > the OSM tileservers. I will have to assume that the Operations WG is > > already thinking of ideas on how to prevent this possibility in the > future. > > I think I can safely say we're not. > > Of course if you have a brilliant idea how to do such a thing then I'm > sure we'd love to hear it. > > Tom > > -- > Tom Hughes ([email protected]) > http://compton.nu/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2015 10:20:30 +0100 > From: Christoph Hormann <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] High load on the rendering servers? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Sunday 08 March 2015, Tom Hughes wrote: > > > > > > Wow. This constitutes an extremely simple way to mount a DoS attack > > > on the OSM tileservers. I will have to assume that the Operations > > > WG is already thinking of ideas on how to prevent this possibility > > > in the future. > > > > I think I can safely say we're not. > > > > Of course if you have a brilliant idea how to do such a thing then > > I'm sure we'd love to hear it. > > The OSM inspector already has a display mode for ways with long > segments - it currently however seems it is not working: > > > http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=geometry&overlays=ways_with_long_segments,long_segments > > And it has a fairly low threshold (0.3 degrees - that is ~40km) so it > highlights quite a lot of stuff. With an additional layer highlighting > only the very long segments (like above 300km segment length) you could > quickly see such issues. And editors of course also should prominently > warn about such edits. > > -- > Christoph Hormann > http://www.imagico.de/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2015 11:29:34 +0100 > From: Martin Koppenhoefer <[email protected]> > To: Jochen Topf <[email protected]> > Cc: Talk Openstreetmap <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > > > Am 07.03.2015 um 16:34 schrieb Jochen Topf <[email protected]>: > > >> See http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/DE:Key:hazard > >> And see also https://twitter.com/sfkeller/status/574213951644368896 > > > > Sounds very subjective to me. Doesn't belong in OSM. > > > the German page does indeed define subjective values while there is a > proposal which has fairly objective values > http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Proposed_features/hazard > > cheers > Martin > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2015 11:53:57 +0100 > From: Stefan Keller <[email protected]> > To: Martin Koppenhoefer <[email protected]> > Cc: Talk Openstreetmap <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations? > Message-ID: > < > cafcon2-dzwufscydqa_ud7rtntnecfe8i09-j4c+3f4wcsm...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hi, > > Thanks for the discussion so long. I agree mostly that 1. its > potentially subjective and 2. not always visible as "real world" > object. > I've added a notice to the german page: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:hazard > I actually wonder, if this is a case for WikiProject Cleanup? > > Yours, S. > > > > 2015-03-08 11:29 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer <[email protected]>: > > > > > > > > > > Am 07.03.2015 um 16:34 schrieb Jochen Topf <[email protected]>: > > > >>> See http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/DE:Key:hazard > >>> And see also https://twitter.com/sfkeller/status/574213951644368896 > >> > >> Sounds very subjective to me. Doesn't belong in OSM. > > > > > > the German page does indeed define subjective values while there is a > proposal which has fairly objective values > http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Proposed_features/hazard > > > > cheers > > Martin > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2015 11:56:52 +0100 > From: Tobias Preuss <[email protected]> > To: Martin Koppenhoefer <[email protected]> > Cc: Talk Openstreetmap <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations? > Message-ID: > <CADEaiE-b6+TrXT2k_dCoPL-JuXx3T= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > This survey might be of interest for (at least the Berlin part of) you. > https://radsicherheit.berlin.de > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2015 12:24:27 +0100 > From: Martin Koppenhoefer <[email protected]> > To: Stefan Keller <[email protected]> > Cc: Talk Openstreetmap <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > > > > Am 08.03.2015 um 11:53 schrieb Stefan Keller <[email protected]>: > > > > I actually wonder, if this is a case for WikiProject Cleanup? > > > +1, the German page is not a translation of the proposal page, but the > latter is much older and dates back to 2007. > > cheers > Martin > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > ------------------------------ > > End of talk Digest, Vol 127, Issue 13 > ************************************* >
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