Hi, On 05/28/2015 10:50 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > The place node for London has 154 name tags as we speak, but there are > several thousand languages in use on the planet, so there's still room > for enhancement. > > wasn't our credo that what the mappers are interested in will be > accepted?
No, that would be stretching the definition of "credo". I think there's a high level of agreement for "stuff that's on the ground and not of a too temporary nature" has a place in OSM. Stuff that's not on the ground - e.g. the name given to a place by a culture thousands of miles away - can occasionally be allowed but there are limits. > actually most "real names" are such, name translations or > transliterations. To give a famous example that most people will know: Yup, a speaker of English will come home from a Rome visit and say "I was at the Colosseum". - They will not, to repeat my favourite example, come home from a visit to Paris and say "I was at the New Bridge." But let's not get sidetracked, that's a different discussion from the Wikidata question. I just hope that Wikidata doesn't list "New Brige" as the "English name" of "Pont Neuf" or else they have a problem ;) > If we were to massively use wikidata _instead of duplicating some > details from there also in our db_ we would have to improve wikidata as > well, It is my impression that a large proportion of name:xx tags in OSM are added by "naming specialists" who do little else than large scale name additions; it would probably not be too much to ask for them to indulge Wikidata instead of OSM. > and impose our entity structure on them, or it won't work in some > cases (and if it doesn't work in some case, it doesn't work at all). I don't agree. If we could offload 99.99% of all name:xx tags to Wikidata and keep them only in edge cases like your Scalinata di Trinità dei Monti, why not? Why would a few cases in which name:xx tags remain ruin the whole scheme? > I don't want to discuss whether Berlin is a metropolis or not, what I > want to point out is that there seem to be different criteria defined > for different languages: You're listing some interesting shortcomings of Wikidata that I weren't aware of. However these would not, in my opinion, bar us from using Wikidata as a name repository for rendering; if a mapper is of the opinion that no matching Wikidata object exists for an OSM feature, then they shouldn't use a wikidata tag, that much is clear! > I agree that tag lists of hundreds of names in different languages > aren't very handy to look through, They're also very hard to verify; and verifiability is important for OSM. I've seen small villages in England which had a name and a name:ru tag, and the only occurrence of the name:ru tag on a web search was on a dubious Russian "weather and events in <random city>" page. When is a name a name? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [email protected] ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" _______________________________________________ talk mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
