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> Am 15.08.2015 um 12:31 schrieb Serge Wroclawski <emac...@gmail.com>:
> 
> The problem that we have in some parts of the world is a lack of data, but in 
> other parts, we have an abundance of bad imports, and a general timidness 
> around the removal of data that we can't find the owner of, which leaves us 
> with data that *we know is bad*, but where the individual mappers do not feel 
> empowered to act on because of this exact attitude of needing to contact and 
> work with the importer.


Being myself mapping in areas where the few bad imports (and also those 
possibly bad and not discussed beforehand) have been almost instantly reverted, 
I am often not thinking about imports at all. Yes, you are right, data trash 
resulting from badly performed imports (or where bad or unsuitable data has 
been imported) should be cleaned up and can be removed if manual cleanup seems 
too tedious and the overall quality is below our standard in manually mapped 
areas.

But this is (I hope) not the typical situation in osm besides a few countries, 
and it is not what this thread is about. Russ started this thread complaining 
that someone had deleted some railway=abandoned he had surveyed (i.e. something 
is still there to survey) and added to OSM, and he was suspecting that some 
people in the community were encouraging such actions by questioning the 
railway=abandoned tag and telling others to delete stuff they can't _easily_ 
see (what in turn some mappers interpret as visible from aerials).

cheers 
Martin 
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