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Today's Topics:
1. Re: User WJtW - railway track counts (Michael Reichert)
2. Re: User WJtW - railway track counts (Richard Mann)
3. Re: User WJtW - railway track counts (Colin Smale)
4. Re: User WJtW - railway track counts (Colin Smale)
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 10:57:49 +0200
From: Michael Reichert <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts
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Hi,
Am 2015-10-07 um 10:24 schrieb Richard Mann:
Putting tracks=1 on multiple parallel tracks is also potentially
misleading. It's a method of tagging that's been superseded by drawing each
line separately.
So I took to adding passenger_lines=N, to avoid a compatability conflict. I
only did N=1 or N>=4, though.
I'd suggest converting the tagging to tracks=1+passenger_lines=2.
You can find the tag detail=track on lots of tracks in South-West
Germany instead of tracks=1.
Best regards
Michael
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 10:11:46 +0100
From: Richard Mann <[email protected]>
To: Michael Reichert <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts
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I added track_detail=yes, to achieve much the same end. I haven't looked at
railway tagging for a while, though.
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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2015 11:19:07 +0200
From: Colin Smale <[email protected]>
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What is "track_detail=yes"? I can't find it anywhere in the (English)
wiki...
//colin
On 2015-10-07 11:11, Richard Mann wrote:
I added track_detail=yes, to achieve much the same end. I haven't looked at
railway tagging for a while, though.
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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2015 11:20:57 +0200
From: Colin Smale <[email protected]>
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Thanks for contacting DWG, Michael.
It is not limited to tracks=2 by the way - I have seen examples of four
tracks, all with tracks=4...
--colin
On 2015-10-07 10:56, Michael Reichert wrote:
Hi.
Am 2015-10-07 um 10:03 schrieb Colin Smale:
I am not sure it would be vandalism - It is more likely a
misunderstanding of the intention of the tracks=* tag. But it is very
damaging, and potentially hard to revert as this has been going on for
some time and newer edits may have been made. It may need something like
this:
* Get all changesets from WJtW
* get all railway tracks from those changesets with tracks>1
* search back through the history to find where the tag was added
* see if it was user WJtW that did it
* If so, remove the tracks=* tag.
I (a German railway mapper) have been notified by another user about
WJtW's edits last week. I [1] have already started reverting parts of
his edits. That's the way I did it:
- Search for railway=rail + tracks=2 via Overpass Turbo (with meta as
output variant)
- Pick out one way of the result. If its last edited was done by WJtW, I
had a lookat the changeset which did this edit using Achavi. If the
changeset was mostly adding of tracks=2, I reverted it. Sometimes I did
partial reverts if only parts of the changeset were bad.
- If the last edit of the way was done by another user, I had a look
into the way's history and looked for the bad changeset(s) there.
You have to repeat this until the area which you are going to clean is
free of tracks=2.
Note: If you are looking at the area between Dortmund and Cologne -
there are lots of ways with tracks=2 from old times (about 4 to 7 years
ago) because tracks=2 has not been removed when the second track was
added to OSM.
But in Dutch (as you will know) there is a wonderful expression about
trying to mop up (a flooded bathroom) while the tap is still running. We
need to turn the tap off and stop this getting any worse.
It's starting to sound like a candidate for a user block until the user
engages in some kind of dialog.
I have asked DWG to block him (0-hour-block) because he has been
notified about his errors several times:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34049497 (21 days ago in German)
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34264606 (11 days ago in English)
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34313237 (7 days ago in English)
It is not the first time that a user used tracks=2 the wrong way. There
were/are users from time to time who add tracks=2 because there was a
map by ITO rendering tracks=2. I asked the people from ITO to shut down
this map a few days ago to prevent future abuse of tracks=2 as tagging
for the renderer. I thank ITO for their quick reaction (the took the map
offline). http://www.itoworld.com/map/group/1
Best regards
Michael aka Nakaner
[1] via my cleanup account Nakaner-repair
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