I think Fredrick's comments have merit. We know a lot about what works so writing code to rewrite it if need be would not be too great an effort.
Cheerio John On 22 April 2018 at 16:06, john whelan <[email protected]> wrote: > JAVA started as a SUN product. It is now an Oracle product. I spent a > number of years working with Oracle on license for their databases. A > number of sales people's statements about their licensing were dubious and > inconsistent so I'll admit I am slightly bias. > > Having said that if we look at the requirements then we'd like the ability > to run on UNIX and Windows. Apple are their own world and yes it can be > run but Apple don't especially like you running it. > > We'd like to be able to run the software on corporate machines. These > days many companies follow the US government's lead and say JAVA is too > much of a security risk to be allowed to install it. > > We have a lot of existing code and programmers who know JAVA. We have a > lot of existing JOSM users which means lots of tutorials and > documentation. Any changes to the interface will be expensive in people > time. > > Pure JAVA is interpreted, the translation for lay people is it needs a > more powerful computer to do the same work in the same time. > > I have no instant solutions but I do think sometimes we should try to > think things through in advance. Perhaps the biggest concern is a major > security hole opens up and Oracle will not repair it. JAVA is not known to > be highly secure at the best of times. If this happens what is the impact? > > It can be controlled to some extent in Windows by running in a separate > user account but that too complicated for many of our users to configure. > Do we have any responsibility to our mappers to keep their machines safe? > > Dunno which is why its worth raising the matter. > > Cheerio John > > On 22 April 2018 at 15:34, Jan Martinec <[email protected]> wrote: > >> End of Java _8_, not all Java. Java 9 is already out, this is just a >> version upgrade. So far, I have used JOSM on Java 6, Java 7, Java 8 and >> Java 9 - this only means that ancient installations of JOSM will only work >> with an older version of JOSM. (It's still possible to run JOSM build 10526 >> on Java 7. Source: having done just that, yesterday). >> >> No action required w/r/t JOSM, relax. >> Cheers, >> Jan "Piskvor" Martinec >> >> Dne ne 22. 4. 2018 21:05 uživatel john whelan <[email protected]> >> napsal: >> >>> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/eol-135779.html >>> >>> It needs to be translated into English. For example Long Term Support >>> means no new versions per three years. >>> >>> " Basically, free Java 8 updates for commercial customers, such as game >>> developers, will cease in January 2019. After that date commercial >>> customers must have a licence to continue to receive the updates. >>> >>> Free Java 8 updates for non-commercial uses, such as your home PC, will >>> continue until the end of 2020. >>> >>> As of last September Oracle have moved to a LTS (Long Term Support) >>> model for Java with new LTS versions released every 3 years - the current >>> Java 8 was released Sept 2017 so December 2020 will be the end of a three >>> year LTS cycle. " >>> >>> Cheerio John >>> >>> On 22 April 2018 at 14:40, Mateusz Konieczny <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 14:26:13 -0400 >>>> john whelan <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Someone who worked at Oracle has mentioned Oracle would like to be >>>> > out of JAVA by 2020 and that is the date for individual free licenses >>>> > to expire. >>>> >>>> Source? >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> talk mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >>> >> >
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