We really have victims here, it seems.
Dear Christine, thank you for your work, thanks for your help, thanks
for your ideas, thanks for your presence at many OSM events.
Il semble que des personnes n'arrivent pas à gérer des idées différentes
des leurs. Leurs idées seront toujours les bonnes et les meilleures. Ein
iD-Panel ist ein gute Idee, aber ich wird in SOTM nicht kommen dieses Jahr.
And yes, the message from this list non-reader confirms that having an
updates-unwatched iD as default editor on osm.org is now really a bad
idea. Unfortunately, I (and others probably) will just do nothing about it.
JB, a sometimes-reader, seldom-writer.
Le 29/05/2019 à 17:32, Heather Leson a écrit :
Dear Christine, Bryan and colleagues,
Thank you for this conversation. Christine, thanks for the
consideration. Many people use ID. It is part of OSM.
Bryan, i will reach out to separately on this topic. My goal is really
to understand using this example on how we might improve for all
people. The negativity is hard for me to, so we can start with a chat?
More in a separate note.
I have also had some interesting experiences and frankly, I think OSM
deserves to really think and do more. Call me an ally, but I believe
there is room for all of us. Community health is a big concern.
Thank you
Heather
Heather Leson
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Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson
Blog: textontechs.com <http://textontechs.com>
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 5:23 PM Bryan Housel <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Christine..
We mustn't define “the community” as the few remaining handful of
people who have not yet been driven off the mailing lists by
persistent abusers and trolls.
I am very aware of what people are saying about iD on all
discussion channels. I read all of it, even the stuff written in
other languages, and even archives of mailing lists that I’ve long
unsubscribed from.
I encourage everyone to not put too much stock into what “the
community” of mailing list haters thinks about iD. It’s the same
dozen or so people who have never liked me or iD much anyway.
I meet with stakeholders every week about the improvements we’ve
made in iD, /and I’m proud of the work that our small team has
been able to accomplish with each new release/. Right now there
are 1000s of people editing with iD (most volunteering, but some
paid) who will never stop by mailing list or a GitHub thread.
They far outnumber the voices that you hear on `talk` or `tagging`.
In large part because of the escalating negativity, I will not be
attending State of the Map.
My strong recommendation to you is to fill the program with
content that encourages community health, inspires people to be
better to one another, and celebrates the great things people are
building with OpenStreetMap.
Thanks, Bryan
❤️, 🆔
On May 29, 2019, at 5:55 AM, Christine Karch
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi,
reading the discussions about the direction of ID development and how
the community wants the ID at the OSM website I had the idea that
there
could perhaps be a panel at SotM. Does anyone want to organize an ID
discussion panel at SotM? Please tell me or us (program committee
in CC)
and we can consider it. At the moment it would be sufficient to have
someone (or more) who wants to organize it. All details could be
defined
later.
As ID is a core feature at the OSM website I think this would be
suitable for the main program at SotM.
Additionally it is always possible to organize informal meetings,
panels
during SotM in the unconference space (we will provide a lot of it).
By the way ticket sales is open. The Early Bird phase is until 7
July.
Program announcement will be around 20 June.
We will have our schedule meeting at 8 June. So it would be good
to know
if an ID panel should be planned. Details for the program booklet
should
be provided until end of July.
Cheers
Christine
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