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Today's Topics:
1. Re: We need to have a conversation about attribution
(Nuno Caldeira)
2. Re: We need to have a conversation about attribution (James)
3. Re: We need to have a conversation about attribution
(Nuno Caldeira)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 23:39:00 +0100
From: Nuno Caldeira <[email protected]>
To: OSM Talk <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about
attribution
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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Months go by nothing happens. here's another example from LiveStream, a
Vimeo service.They have a map (example, press "i"
https://livestream.com/accounts/23202872/events/7200883 ) , asked to
add
the attribution, they replied they do not use OSM tiles or data, which
i
kindly asked how they had my contributions on their map. They stopped
replying, short after saying they would investigate.
Guess what tiles they are using? Mapbox. Screenshot
https://i.ibb.co/0njPFyy/ssdasd.jpg
Does OSMF need these corporates member that keep acting like this? Who
are the first not complying with what the community wanted when we
switched from CC to ODbL? Still the board hasn't replied to my request
to terminate Facebook license
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2019-June/082653.html
Funnily, Facebook shared this today
https://tech.fb.com/ai-is-supercharging-the-creation-of-maps-around-the-world/
As a reminder of OSMF articles
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association
OBJECTS
3. The Foundation is established for the purposes listed below:
(1) encouraging the growth, development and distribution of free
geospatial data; and
(2) providing geospatial data for anybody to use and share.
Are these companies encouraging the use, the growth and distribution of
OSM, by repeatedly and after being asked several times to show the
attribution?
Do we need to ask the board to expel those corporate members
(equivalent
to associate member)?
18. The board may only resolve to expel a person as member or
associate member if, in the board's reasonable opinion, that person's
conduct interferes or is likely to interfere with the Foundation
_*achieving one or more of its objects*_.
Who's in need more of who? OpenStreetMap or these companies? this is
not
acceptable and OSMF needs to act as companies, their clients clearly do
not care when contributors contact them asking to comply. This is a
snowball going downhill with more and more companies doing what
facebook
does and not attribution and stop replying to the contributors request
to add the attribution. Guess we or OSMF is too soft on this.
When we switch this was plain and explicit:
*Both licenses are “By Attribution”* and “Share Alike”.
Can I trust the OpenStreetMap Foundation ?
The Foundation is "dedicated to encouraging the growth, development
and distribution of free geospatial data and to providing geospatial
data for anybody to use and share.", ( http://www.osmfoundation.org ).
But what happens if the Foundation is taken over by people with
commercial interests?
* You still own the rights to any data you contribute, not the
Foundation. In the new Contributor Terms, you license the
Foundation to publish the data for others to use and ONLY under a
free and open license.
* The Foundation is not allowed to take your contribution and
release it under a commercial license.
* If the Foundation fails to publish under only a free and open
license, it has broken its contract with you. A copy of the
existing data can be made and released by a different body.
* If a change is made to another free and open license, it is active
contributors who decide yes or no, not the Foundation.
from
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Historic/We_Are_Changing_The_License#What_are_the_main_differences_between_the_old_and_the_new_license.3F
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 18:48:35 -0400
From: James <[email protected]>
To: Nuno Caldeira <[email protected]>
Cc: OpenStreetMap talk mailing list <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about
attribution
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It's kind of funny when people deny osm data as it has it's own sort
flavour that differentiates it from google, bing, here, etc. It's
instantly
recognizable.
On Tue., Jul. 23, 2019, 6:43 p.m. Nuno Caldeira, <
[email protected]> wrote:
Months go by nothing happens. here's another example from LiveStream,
a
Vimeo service.They have a map (example, press "i"
https://livestream.com/accounts/23202872/events/7200883 ) , asked to
add
the attribution, they replied they do not use OSM tiles or data, which
i
kindly asked how they had my contributions on their map. They stopped
replying, short after saying they would investigate.
Guess what tiles they are using? Mapbox. Screenshot
https://i.ibb.co/0njPFyy/ssdasd.jpg
Does OSMF need these corporates member that keep acting like this? Who
are
the first not complying with what the community wanted when we
switched
from CC to ODbL? Still the board hasn't replied to my request to
terminate
Facebook license
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2019-June/082653.html
Funnily, Facebook shared this today
https://tech.fb.com/ai-is-supercharging-the-creation-of-maps-around-the-world/
As a reminder of OSMF articles
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association
OBJECTS
3. The Foundation is established for the purposes listed below:
(1) encouraging the growth, development and distribution of free
geospatial data; and (2) providing geospatial data for anybody to use
and
share.
Are these companies encouraging the use, the growth and distribution
of
OSM, by repeatedly and after being asked several times to show the
attribution?
Do we need to ask the board to expel those corporate members
(equivalent
to associate member)?
18. The board may only resolve to expel a person as member or
associate
member if, in the board's reasonable opinion, that person's conduct
interferes or is likely to interfere with the Foundation *achieving
one
or more of its objects*.
Who's in need more of who? OpenStreetMap or these companies? this is
not
acceptable and OSMF needs to act as companies, their clients clearly
do not
care when contributors contact them asking to comply. This is a
snowball
going downhill with more and more companies doing what facebook does
and
not attribution and stop replying to the contributors request to add
the
attribution. Guess we or OSMF is too soft on this.
When we switch this was plain and explicit:
*Both licenses are “By Attribution”* and “Share Alike”.
Can I trust the OpenStreetMap Foundation ?
The Foundation is "dedicated to encouraging the growth, development
and
distribution of free geospatial data and to providing geospatial data
for
anybody to use and share.", ( http://www.osmfoundation.org ).
But what happens if the Foundation is taken over by people with
commercial
interests?
- You still own the rights to any data you contribute, not the
Foundation. In the new Contributor Terms, you license the
Foundation to
publish the data for others to use and ONLY under a free and open
license.
- The Foundation is not allowed to take your contribution and
release
it under a commercial license.
- If the Foundation fails to publish under only a free and open
license, it has broken its contract with you. A copy of the
existing data
can be made and released by a different body.
- If a change is made to another free and open license, it is
active
contributors who decide yes or no, not the Foundation.
from
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Historic/We_Are_Changing_The_License#What_are_the_main_differences_between_the_old_and_the_new_license.3F
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 23:55:21 +0100
From: Nuno Caldeira <[email protected]>
To: James <[email protected]>
Cc: OpenStreetMap talk mailing list <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about
attribution
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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Yes it is and when they reply:
The Livestream Platform does not utilize the Open Street Map site or
any of the data that you're referring to. We have always used another
mapping service to integrate locations within our event and have no
ties to OpenStreetMap.
And then you send a OSM History Viewer link of when you added on OSM
with a printscreen of that same element on their website.
Às 23:48 de 23/07/2019, James escreveu:
It's kind of funny when people deny osm data as it has it's own sort
flavour that differentiates it from google, bing, here, etc. It's
instantly recognizable.
On Tue., Jul. 23, 2019, 6:43 p.m. Nuno Caldeira,
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Months go by nothing happens. here's another example from
LiveStream, a Vimeo service.They have a map (example, press "i"
https://livestream.com/accounts/23202872/events/7200883 ) , asked
to add the attribution, they replied they do not use OSM tiles or
data, which i kindly asked how they had my contributions on their
map. They stopped replying, short after saying they would
investigate.
Guess what tiles they are using? Mapbox. Screenshot
https://i.ibb.co/0njPFyy/ssdasd.jpg
Does OSMF need these corporates member that keep acting like this?
Who are the first not complying with what the community wanted
when we switched from CC to ODbL? Still the board hasn't replied
to my request to terminate Facebook license
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2019-June/082653.html
Funnily, Facebook shared this today
https://tech.fb.com/ai-is-supercharging-the-creation-of-maps-around-the-world/
As a reminder of OSMF articles
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association
OBJECTS
3. The Foundation is established for the purposes listed below:
(1) encouraging the growth, development and distribution of
free geospatial data; and
(2) providing geospatial data for anybody to use and share.
Are these companies encouraging the use, the growth and
distribution of OSM, by repeatedly and after being asked several
times to show the attribution?
Do we need to ask the board to expel those corporate members
(equivalent to associate member)?
18. The board may only resolve to expel a person as member or
associate member if, in the board's reasonable opinion, that
person's conduct interferes or is likely to interfere with the
Foundation _*achieving one or more of its objects*_.
Who's in need more of who? OpenStreetMap or these companies? this
is not acceptable and OSMF needs to act as companies, their
clients clearly do not care when contributors contact them asking
to comply. This is a snowball going downhill with more and more
companies doing what facebook does and not attribution and stop
replying to the contributors request to add the attribution. Guess
we or OSMF is too soft on this.
When we switch this was plain and explicit:
*Both licenses are “By Attribution”* and “Share Alike”.
Can I trust the OpenStreetMap Foundation ?
The Foundation is "dedicated to encouraging the growth,
development and distribution of free geospatial data and to
providing geospatial data for anybody to use and share.", (
http://www.osmfoundation.org ).
But what happens if the Foundation is taken over by people with
commercial interests?
* You still own the rights to any data you contribute, not the
Foundation. In the new Contributor Terms, you license the
Foundation to publish the data for others to use and ONLY
under a free and open license.
* The Foundation is not allowed to take your contribution and
release it under a commercial license.
* If the Foundation fails to publish under only a free and open
license, it has broken its contract with you. A copy of the
existing data can be made and released by a different body.
* If a change is made to another free and open license, it is
active contributors who decide yes or no, not the Foundation.
from
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Historic/We_Are_Changing_The_License#What_are_the_main_differences_between_the_old_and_the_new_license.3F
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