On Mon, 5 Oct 2020 at 18:00, Justin Tracey via talk <talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
> On 2020-10-05 6:49 a.m., john whelan wrote: > > I think we underestimate new mappers. JOSM takes a little more time > > to set up true enough but once set up new mappers can be quite > > productive. I think it is best if you limit them to adding one or two > > features at a time but for adding buildings nothing beats it with the > > buildings_tool plugin. > > > For adding lots of buildings quickly, sure, that's definitely what I'd > recommend, but that's not the most common action newbies will be > performing in OSM. And yes, you *can* teach new mappers how to use JOSM, > of course, but IMO the goal should be to make the UI as frictionless as > possible at getting them to understand how mapping works, not getting > them to use the most powerful mapping tools as quickly as possible. Or, > framed another way, I would rather have lots of moderately skilled > contributors all over the world than (unintentionally) gate-keep into > highly skilled contributors in a few places. > > > To use a programming analogy (sorry, I realize this is useless to > non-programmers), yes, you can teach a complete programming newbie C as > their first language. But if you want them to actually understand the > important core concepts quickly rather than learning the quirks of the > architecture, you're probably better off using something simple like > Python. On a similar note, I use C for my work quite often, but when I > need to write something simple, I'll default to Python; and while I > frequently use (and have even made non-trivial upstream code > contributions to) JOSM, I still default to iD as my go-to editor for > most quick fixes. > As far as learning OSM goes, I think iD's tendency to hide what's going on isn't helpful. With JOSM you apply a preset and see the equivalent tags immediately at the side. With iD these tags are hidden below the user friendly template (often pushing it off the screen). I also find iD's area and relation handling to be a little misleading as well as it implies that we have an area type that is distinct from ways and presents relations in a way that is effectively backwards. > > > > > > Highways, I think it is iD that offers many choices of tags but do we > > really need rural highways in Africa to be tagged as unlit? > > > Well, for that particular case, my guess is that tag is just as useful > there as it is anywhere. > > - Justin > > > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >
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