>
> The unfortunate choice of those two keywords (“for” and “return” instead of
> “from” and “select’) in XQuery had
> such a HUGE impact on adoption (or not) of XQuery, it’s amazing.
>
> It’s not too late to add the macros…..and make XQuery understandable to
> people who only want to see
>
> select… from ...
>
>
> Big mistakes.
Ihe,
THAT particular choice of keywords (FOR/RETURN… instead of FROM/SELECT)…. is
MY mistake ENTIRELY. 100% MINE.
I regretted that (daily) in the past 16 years …..and did LOTS of penance for
it…..please believe me.
I could tell you the story… maybe it’s fun, maybe it’s interesting from a
technology/history perspective.
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It was 1999, and I was a researcher in INRIA, studying query languages and
query processing for semi-structured data. (since 1996 when I was in ATT
Research)
I was stuck in Paris, where nothing ever happened in technology, and I was
dreaming of going to Sillicon Valley, where EVERYTHING happened.
So, I managed to become a visiting scientist at IBM Almaden in Sillicon Valley.
My boss at that time, Mike Carey (now professor it Univ. Irvine), just decided
to leave IBM for a startup — Propel.
He didn’t know what to do with me (I was his responsibility :-) …., so he took
me by the hand to Don Chambelin (of SQL fame)
across the hall, and he asked me: “Why don’t you work with Don
Chamberlin on this XML query thing, after I am gone ?”
That’s what I did, together with Jonathan Robie, and the result was Quilt, the
precursor of XQuery.
Well, it happened that my PhD thesis was on query languages and query
processing of object-oriented languages, and OQL was a functional language,
above
and before being a query language. Hence, XQuery became a functional language.
Well, in the same time, I was teaching in a French university the ML
programming language, a long love of mine, as programming languages are
concerned.
Here is the catch: ML used the words FOR and RETURN for monoid
comprehension….which both the Select-From-Where of SQL and the FLOWR expression
are.
Back to the story:
While in IBM, one evening Don Chamberlin asked me to write a grammar and a
parser for Quilt. I spent the night doing that, and in the morning I showed him
what I did.
As a fresh lover of ML, I used the keywords FOR and RETURN in the grammar.
Don looked at me and told me…. “This thing….we’ll call it a FLWOR expression.”
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</end-of-story>
It NEVER crossed my mind RIGHT THEN that that random decision that I took one
night in a state of extreme fatigue will become cut-in-stone within
the over-powerful standard that XQuery is today.
I guess lots of technical decisions happen this way….randomly.
Best regards,
Dana
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