In may 2014 3 researchers write a paper entitled The SQL++ Unifying Semi-structured Query Language, and an Expressiveness Benchmark of SQL-on-Hadoop, NoSQL and NewSQL Databases
which has 65 references to JSONiq. In April 2015 the same 3 researchers published The SQL++ Query Language: Configurable, Unifying and Semi-structured which has zero references to JSONiq. Does anybody have any suggestions as to roundabout when they started getting funding from Couchbase? On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 12:38 PM, daniela florescu <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear David (Dewitt) > > I had this discussion on Linkedin this morning > > https://www.linkedin.com/grp/post/54257-6010072547398336516 > > Look at the last comment from CouchBase, defending his turf and telling me > “We have SQL luminaries!” > > :-))) > > ***************************************************** > > Show previous comments > > 1. [image: Ihe Onwuka] > > <https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=94457480&authType=name&authToken=8ZvS&trk=hp-feed-commenter-photo> > 37m > Ihe Onwuka > > <https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=94457480&authType=name&authToken=8ZvS&trk=hp-feed-commenter-name> > Partly because the real reasons engineering reasons why SQL is > desirable as a query language have become subservient to the commercial > ones (non-techies are used to it and we already know it). A moments thought > and you will realise that is a formula for technological rigor mortis - > there would never be any progress. The engineering reasons are, > declarativity, logical and physical data independence and built in query > optimisation. These in turn brought several ergonomic advantages to > database development which hierarchical and network databases lacked. That > being the case a language like JSONiq that has those attributes wins but > what is happening here is not about science or engineering and if you give > an academic funding to solve a problem that has already been solved from an > engineering and semantic perspective he is not going to turn it down and to > be fair its' still an interesting question. God know's how much is being > spent on this and there is no guarantee of a product at the end. show > less > 2. [image: Gerald Sangudi] > > <https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=5831393&authType=name&authToken=iRYT&trk=hp-feed-commenter-photo> > 16m > Gerald Sangudi > > <https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=5831393&authType=name&authToken=iRYT&trk=hp-feed-commenter-name> > Dana, trust me, we have SQL luminaries :) > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > David, when this guy from CouchDB is boasting that they have “SQL > luminaries” working on this silly N1QL, > I really hope he’s not talking about you….or no-one else on this list. > > I have a huge respect for you, and I would very much like to keep it this > way. > > Whoever those “luminaries” this guy is talking about…. I guess that at > some point we will need to have a PUBLIC scientific > discussion. > > But I would like to keep it at the level of “scientific” discussion. > > Not “my language is transcendental, yours isn’t” (!??). > > Ot threatening 60 years old people to be fired if they don’t say what you > want them to say…. > > Ot other little creepy stuff like that that companies do….. > > Best regards > Dana > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 2015, at 8:13 PM, daniela florescu <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Microsoft people, (David, Michael, Donald) > > I KNOW for sure that, other then Oracle, Microsoft is involved into this > “agreement” around this totally shitty N1QL (WTF !???) > (not sure yet about IBM… but about to figure that out …) > > I didn’t involve Microsoft publicly (yet) because I (still) have respect > for you three: > David Dewitt, Donald Kossmann, and Michael Rys, and I didn’t want to hurt > you, personally. > > Don’t disappoint me my kindness, please. > > If you get silly, and you personally get on the side of Oracle, Roger > Bamford, Gary Bloom, and the rest of technical idiots on this cc, > ******I DO NOT GUARANTEE POLITICAL ASYLUM******** > > PLEASE DO NOT BE TECHNICALLY STUPID. > > YOU KNOW THAT WHATEVER YOU DO, I WILL BE SMARTER…..and I know more on the > subject then all of you put together. > > I also know that you personally might not be involved in this JSON > decision. > > Please be kind and pass along my message to the Microsoft “authorities” > in charge: STAY FUCKING CLEAR FROM HURTING JSONiq. > > From now on, I will take no prisoners, and ANY technical stupidity will be > VISIBLE on print. > > The beauty of social media…... > > Best regards > Dana > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From: *daniela florescu <[email protected]> > *Date: *June 3, 2015 at 7:50:25 PM PDT > *To: *[email protected] > *Cc: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]> > *Subject: **Re: [xquery-talk] not sure if I should laugh with big tears > or cry with big tears...:-)))))* > > What I think will happen is the following: > > 1. ISO will look at them like they are crazy when they send a language > specification in Powerpoint > > 2. They’ll scratch their heads and probable write SOMETHING that ( kind > of ) makes sense > > 3. That SOMETHING written up will extend (some bastardized subset of) SQL > > 4. In the process, they forget that SQL in 2015 looks like THIS :-)))))))) > http://savage.net.au/SQL/sql-99.bnf.html > (good luck, guys!!!! You complain that extending XQuery is hard. Well, > try THIS then :-) Ha, Ha, Ha …..)) > > 5. That SOMETHING will look just like SQL-XML,. which disappeared in the > hole it came from... as soon as it was on print…. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL/XML > > 6. They will pay a lot of “bloggers” to convince gullible people that SQL > is the perfect “query” language > for semi-structured data. YES. But only if you have negative IQ and have > no idea about semi-structured data. > (unfortunately there are lots of those) > > Some of those guys already argue with me (very annoyingly to be honest, > and without ANY knowledge of databases) on Linkedin > (if those companies choose people to argue with me… at least choose > someone who can hold a scientific argument with me…. at least > make it a little fun for me….please …..) > > As an example, please check this: > https://www.linkedin.com/grp/post/54257-6010072547398336516 > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > And I just told you my best guess. It’s nothing then a simple “hunch”, > without any proof to it. > > The three companies that “make" this N1QL a success are: CouchDB, > MarkLogic and Oracle. > > I worked long enough at Oracle to recognize the “touch” of stupid > politics, in top of a basis of bad technology. > And MarkLogic, given their executive people are only coming from Oracle, > is likely to behave the same. > > And I right, guys ??? Oracle ? MarkLogic ? Any comments ? > > ====================== > > Did I tell you, guys ??? I LOVE guess games …. :-))))))) > > I enjoy them !!!!! > > Bring some more !!!! > > Have a great evening everybody, > Dana > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Ihe Onwuka <[email protected]> wrote: > > All that effort into designing a language that has no published > specification, will almost certainly never be a published standard and > therefore no financial institution will be prepared to pay a N1QL for. > > Stupid is as Stupid Does. > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 2:15 PM, daniela florescu <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I guess I should cry with big tears…and not laugh at all. >> >> Even smart people like Kurt Cagle would like to see this “inexact science >> language” (because there are two kinds of >> sciences, one exact, and one inexact…..) standardized as ISO …. >> >> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/n1ql-couchbase-brings-sql-json-kurt-cagle >> >> The world is weird. >> >> Dana >> >> >> On Jun 2, 2015, at 8:38 PM, daniela florescu <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I copy and paste here from Linkedin my conversation with one of the top >> scientists of on of the top NoSQL databases: Couchbase…. >> >> "Please consider real world deployments, not academic endeavors....This >> is still an inexact science” :-)))))))) >> >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> >> Dana, >> >> Please consider real world deployments, not academic endeavors....This is >> still an inexact science. >> >> On 6/2/15, 10:38 AM, Daniela Florescu wrote: >> -------------------- >> Dear, >> >> you have a query language implemented, and you have no specification >> written for it !??? >> >> That's weird to say the least. >> >> I never heard of a programming language (because a query language is a >> programming language...), whose specification is only in Powerpoint. >> >> Sorry, I don't have time. >> >> If you have a specification written, please send it to me, and I'll give >> you an honest feedback. >> >> Best >> Dana >> >> On 6/2/15, 10:33 AM, XXXXl wrote: >> -------------------- >> Daniela, >> >> Couchbase Connect 15 going on this week at Levis Stadium in Santa Clara. >> You should check it out. We are talking up our query language N!QL. >> >> >> http://www.cvent.com/events/couchbase-connect-15/event-summary-b7744ca960364b75aba41de42cbef19e.aspx >> <https://www.linkedin.com/redir/redirect?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ecvent%2Ecom%2Fevents%2Fcouchbase-connect-15%2Fevent-summary-b7744ca960364b75aba41de42cbef19e%2Easpx&urlhash=3ZMl> >> >> - >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> [email protected] >> http://x-query.com/mailman/listinfo/talk >> > > _______________________________________________ > [email protected] > http://x-query.com/mailman/listinfo/talk > > > _______________________________________________ > [email protected] > http://x-query.com/mailman/listinfo/talk > > > >
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