In my point of view, rather then demanding them to only cater for us, speech companies should try to develop along the line of products they produce. Just like if S60 no more, then try out S40 or whatever. Just like Talks have gone into the new carrot phones.
We must remember as well that speech program companies also charge us quite high and so they must also be committed in providing. Regards, KITT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Davy Kager" <[email protected]> To: "Talks Mailing List" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [Talks] a new nokia phone? Of course, caring for the very few disabled users would be reasonably silly if your company is trying very hard to survive anyway. Sure, if you make as much money as Apple is and if you sue the occasional multi-national now and then, you may consider having a team of people working on a true screenreader, while you have the main lot working on closing and locking the OS to outside intervention, so as to only raise profit. What Fi remarked about the high'ish cost for an iPhone makes sense to me. I never liked the claim "Nokia (or any other company) doesn't care about accessibility." How many blind users are there compared to sighted people? And how much noise do they make when something isn't working for them, instead of being thankful for what they have already? Instead of doing that all the time, it might be fun pointing out how on an iDevice you'll be having a hard time changing alarms and ringtones, and then looking back at Nokia and deciding if you like their approach in that area better. Or consider asking your sighted friends what they'd most value in a phone and then look back at what Nokia is offering to see if it matches your findings. To return to the topic at hand: Yes, there's a great many "nice" Nokia-phones out there, more than twenty models are up-to-date enough to be considered. On the other hand, you have one iPhone, with one screenreader (read: very little competition there), and it's up to Apple what you'll be getting, just like with Nokia. And as for now I believe they only offer touchscreen models, which is even more limited than Nokia's current line-up that is being frowned upon so often. I'm not defending Symbian or Nokia's strategy, I too have my concerns about the company, but I felt the need to put it all in some perspective. A handful of yelling disabled people might change a company's strategy (which is usually well planned for a few years ahead and can hence not be easily altered), but it's more a matter of luck than of a previledge. Of course, if something can be made accessible if only a company would just care a little bit, I am all for it, but I feel people need to watch out not to think their demands are equally as important as the demands of 99% of a company's customers. And as a final remark, before bitching at a company, also consider what a potential user plans on doing with his or her device. I know many who would already find the most basic S60-phone overwhelming and would much rather have a simple thing like a Nokia 3310 that talks at them in an annoyingly slow manner. I"m sorry if this sounded harsh or off-topic, it wasn't meant that way. I just felt the need to raise this point of discussion, to see what will come of it. ;-) Davy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fi Dunn" <[email protected]> To: "Allan " <[email protected]>; "Talks Mailing List" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [Talks] a new nokia phone? > Hi. The thing is, Stephen, Nokia are releasing Symbian phones with normal > keypads, plus touch, and they are very nice keypads ... If you're sighted! > The trouble is, they are all series 40 devices. My partner and I looked at > some when he wanted a new phone, as he's sighted. In the end, I just gave > him an N96 I was given by the Carphone Warehouse to replace my broken, but > much nicer looking, N85. I never liked the N96, so never bought one. The > partner likes the big buttons and screen though, as his sight is failing. > > I think we all need to realise, Nokia cares very little about blind > people. If things happen to be accessible through third parties, then > fine, but their nearest to a nod to accessibility was Voice Aid, which was > like Microsoft's Narrator ... Only worse! > > I stil love the Nokia phones I have, and that's a lot, and may buy one or > two more before Symbian S60 dies totally, but I think their stance on > accessibility for the blind, and those with disabilities in general, is > woefully inadequate! look at the Ovi Store client, just for a start! > > Hence me purchasing an iPhone 4 a couple of weeks ago, which makes Talks > with touchscreens look amateur! Mobile Speak is a bit more like the iPhone > experience, with its swipes, but Nokia don't include either out of the > box, like Apple. > > Having said all this, I do realise how expensive Apple devices are. I only > afforded my deal because it's a refreshed, IE refurbished, iPhone. Fine by > me. Works great! > > I think Alan is totally correct, you know. Nokia S60 phones only seem to > have qwerty, touch, or both nowadays! I think the mobile market for the > blind is a depressingly bare place at the moment, even including Android - > touchscreen/qwerty again! What about people who just want to make the odd > call, send the odd text and, shock horror, have an accessible phone to do > it? Geeks like us can cope with the changes, but I do feel for those who > are far less technical, and just want to dial a number! > > Fi (on Nokia C6) > > > ----------------------------- > From: "Allan" > Subject: Re: [Talks] a new nokia phone? > Date: 21st April 2011 11:30 am > > > yeah, the unofficial announce 2 new model is T7-00 and X7-00. there's also > another up coming model is E6. all of these 3 models > going to run on s^3 pr2.0 which is the latest release of symbian^3. > > nokia also has discontinue numbering on their symbian OS, there'll be no > more ^3, ^4 and so on. all up coming new phone will be only > call symbian and it will be have pr1.0, pr1.1, pr1.2 and the latest is > pr2.0 codename Anna. > > i dont know about other country, but as our last meeting with CEO Nokia > Malaysia, he told us "local nokia reseller" that Nokia will > no longer releasing any new S60 model which he refering to symbian 9.3 and > 9.4 devices. 9.3 is for keypads phones and 9.4 is > actually S^1 phones, e.g. C6-00, N97, 5800 and so on. > > another thing, keypads phones is different to qwerty keyboard phones. i am > talking about those pure keypads models and nothing > related to qwerty models. > > since nokia is loosing share in the world sales to samsung, they changed > their marketing strategy. they even start to release those > S40 phones in touch and type which have both touchscreen and qwerty > keyboard. example of such model are C2-06, C3-01 touch and type > and X3-02 touch and type. > > again, i am not talking rubbish here, i am telling whatever fact that i > been told. > > p.s. no arguement in this issue. > > > -- > > Allan (WKF) > > "Life is impermanent, happiness is not a necessity, a person must cherish > the people around them." > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Giggar" <[email protected]> > To: "Talks Mailing List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 17:20 > Subject: Re: [Talks] a new nokia phone? > > > We'll have to wait and see if they come out with other keypad phones or > not. > Nokia did announce not released two new phones within the last 2 weeks. > The > phone will probably be available later this year. Will they work with the > current version of Talks? The answer is I don't know and would say > probably > not being they are running a later version of Symbian Power sign 3. One > has > just a touch screen and the other one has a quirty keyboard on it. > > No I donot think Touch screen phone will be the only thing going. There > will > always be phones with keypad/keyboards on the market. Like I said, we'll > just have to wait and see what Nokia put out. If you want a phone witha > standard keypad! The best thing you can do is to call Nokia for your > country > and put in a suggestion that they put out some new Symbian phones with > standard keypads on them. The more people that call and have the > suggestion > entered into the system! The more likely it will get done. > > Signed: Stephen Giggar > Skype: dr-phone. > > Hardware eventually fails, software eventually works. > No amount of bandwidth can fix poor design. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allan" <[email protected]> > To: "Talks Mailing List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 4:10 AM > Subject: Re: [Talks] a new nokia phone? > > >> hi Maurice and all, >> >> if you feel that you are not comftable with the virtual keyboard, you can >> purches a USB keyboard or a bluetooth external keyboard >> and hook to the N8. the N8 do come with a USB-OTG cable and you can use >> it >> to connect a portable drive or external device with the >> phone. with the external keyboard connected, you can use the phone as you >> are with a laptop. but of course, talks is working find >> with the setup. please purches keyboard that compatible with nokia phones >> and bluetooth 3.0 is recommended. >> >> HTH. >> >> -- >> >> Allan (WKF) >> >> "Life is impermanent, happiness is not a necessity, a person must cherish >> the people around them." >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Maurice Press" <[email protected]> >> To: "'Talks Mailing List'" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 16:04 >> Subject: Re: [Talks] a new nokia phone? >> >> >> Hi All, >> >> May I also put t my two pennith in here. >> >> I agree with Alan that, however challenging it may seem, we are moving >> into the Touch screen era. >> For me as a totally Blind person , I have found this a challenge >> especially >> from the point of view of texting which I do a lot. >> >> I have tried many talks-related nokia phones and others such as the HTC >> desire and iPhone with speech output. >> I find Texting slower than on a button phone. >> I've also tried the touch screen phones that use a Qwerty keyboard for >> texting and this is somewhat faster but, I don't always find it easy >> doing >> this with one hand and standing up. >> >> So, I'm migrating onto the N8 and so far really like it. >> In Particular, what I like about this phone is the fact that you can >> have >> either a Qwerty keyboard or number keypad with just one twist of the >> phone. >> It's taking a bit of getting use to but, I'm sure I will come around >> and >> I think Alan is right, it's the way things are going. >> >> Just a personal view of course. >> >> Maurice Press. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> On >> Behalf Of Allan >> Sent: 20 April 2011 18:21 >> To: Talks Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [Talks] a new nokia phone? >> >> hi, >> this is not my negative thought, but however, it could be the fact that >> we >> need to face for now or in the very near future. >> >> the technology is moving towards touchscreen era and for sure no one can >> give a stop on it. as of this writing, many of nokia >> buttons phone already dismiss from the market and for sure nokia have no >> further plan to release any new buttons symbian phone which >> is runs on symbian S60 9.3. >> >> i'm sure everyone of us already aware that nokia have signed partner with >> microsoft to release nokia WP7 phones at the end of this >> year or the latest earlier next year. but however, nokia have no sign >> that >> they will release any symbian buttons phone anymore, >> though nokia announced that they will continue to support and release >> symbian device, but it is only touchscreen phones or symbian^3 >> powered phones. >> >> so, whether we like it or not, sooner or later, we still have to migrate >> to >> the world of touchscreen phones. >> >> as of this writing, in my country "Malaysia", many of the nokia buttons >> phone already dismiss from the market, unless those sellling >> as a 2nd hand or use phones. >> >> the following buttons phones still can be purches: >> >> Nokia C5-00 >> Nokia E5-00 >> Nokia X5-01 >> Nokia 5320 (discontinued) >> Nokia 6120C (limited stock) >> Nokia 6670 slide (discontinued) >> Nokia E63 (limited stock and color) >> Nokia E72 >> Nokia E75 (limited stock) >> >> so friends, in my personal opinion, why not take a test drive on a >> touchscreen phone for now and learn the technology for the >> future? since Nuance Talks already fully support on touchscreen phone >> from >> version 5.00 until now 5.20. >> >> again, above is my personal opinion. >> >> >> -- >> >> Allan (WKF) >> >> "Life is impermanent, happiness is not a necessity, a person must cherish >> the people around them." >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "stephen faill" <[email protected]> >> To: "Talks Mailing List" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 00:19 >> Subject: [Talks] a new nokia phone? >> >> >> hello list. >> i am wanting to upgrade my current phone to a newer one. >> my old nokia e65 is dying a slow death on me and i want to get some >> feedback >> from people on this list as to what they are using and >> what they might be thinking of upgrading to. >> my initial thoughts were of the nokia n8, but i really don't know if i am >> willing to spend the sort of money that that phone is, to >> find that i either don't like the touch screen or i just cant use it. >> so, my idea is to ask around on here and see what people are using and >> basically to find out what one is the best option. >> thanks to all who give their feedback on this message. >> kind regards. >> stephen faill >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talks mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >> >> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ >> and >> Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > Talks mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks > > Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: > eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ > and > Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > Talks mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks > > Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: > eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ > and > Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ > _______________________________________________ > Talks mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks > > Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: > eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ > and > Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ _______________________________________________ Talks mailing list [email protected] http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ _______________________________________________ Talks mailing list [email protected] http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/
