Thank you Cammie. On the 8th response to the original query, someone has 
finally mentioned the pivot before the lady's forward step. Of 
course the unwind must be led before any forward or side step is led. And the 
unwind is led by a body turn to the left. For a Forward 
Ocho, this would also include a pivot while, for a side step, the body turn 
should be sufficient. Of course, the lady can always uncross 
herself but then it becomes a lady's adornment and, since the man won't be 
aware of this, he should always lead the unwind.

Keith, HK


On Thu Nov 15  8:37 , "Cammie "  sent:

>As a follower, I have never uncrossed myself, nor heard that suggested in
>any class I have ever taken.
>
>However, a very common problem for followers is when leaders try to lead
>them into a front ocho from the cross without inviting the follower to pivot
>first.  It is extremely awkward being lead into a front ocho without the
>pivot.  Cammie.
>
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