Larry,

You often amaze me with your posts and now I don't know whether you're 
playing with us or not. Just who were these "three dozen teachers" who 
could teach Ochos and fail to mention that the amount of turn can vary? 
Sorry, but it just beggars belief. OK, overturned Ochos can wait, but, IMHO, 
underturned Ochos should be taught in the very first 'Ochos lesson' because, 
for one thing, they're easier for the lady than the full 180 deg turn and 
secondly, 
as Larry mentions, they're progressive rather than staying is one place. I also 
like to rotate to right or left while the lady does her Ochos as she circles 
around 
me. This is achieved by varying the amount of turn in each of the 2 steps of 
the 
Ocho. Again, especially with the forward Ocho, IMO, this is suitable for 
beginners.

C'mon Larry, tell us you're just kidding :-).

Jack


> From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Up to then, despite having maybe three dozen teachers face-to-face 
> (though most just for a few hours) and seen lots of videos, ochos just 
> meant two 180-degree turns after another that returned the dancer to 
> (usually her) starting position.  Frumboli explained that 
> there is a whole family of figures with pivots in them.  
> 



      


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