Hi joe,

I wear them with everything from jeans to slacks. They work fine IMO. I've worn 
them with a jacket, but don't think I've ever worn a tie with one. There's only 
one style available, though in both short and long sleeves. It's true the 
collar is a little soft, with no stiffener, and the fabric is very flexible, 
slightly stretchy, I think there's Lycra in it. I got a private post saying 
there are some other manufacturers offering shirts with the same or similar 
fabric under the brand name CoolMax, but my web search didn't find any black 
dress shirts, nor any better selection of colors. Regardless of the cut, if you 
sweat a lot, they're the only thing I've ever found that completely keeps you 
dry. They work.

     J



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