David (and others), David, I think you are very much stuck into your specific tango environment, where what you understand to be 'nuevo' correlates with crappy navigation skills. This is definitely not true to many, I risk it, most 'nuevo' communities. Maybe there is an unqualified teacher/organizer around, or maybe just too many people who don't accept that there are actually others who think/dance otherwise...
I guess, if we would simply exchange 'nuevo dancers' with 'black people' or 'gay people', then the idea of separating them for your comfort would seem a whole lot more provocative, while in essence the reasons behind the segregation would be the same: some people are different, and want to be separated. In your youth both was everyday phenomena. People thought that segregation was OK then. So if we separate we'll have tanghettos? :) Then nuevo may really become a different style - with a sidenote, that it would be the one to survive as tango. The younger generation has a knack for it, and therefore they will bring 'nuevo' as 'tango' into the future without the possibility to be faced with the 'other' style. Not that it has any chance for happening: milonga organizers are not stupid to shut out their future market... All your recent posts convey the same, generalizing and generally untrue, statement that 'nuevo' dancers are crap, and your posting style is visibly offending many people (those who don't dance 'nuevo' also): IMO this is not acceptable on an open list, it is the very same thing that you so fervently criticize in the style of the 'nuevo dancers'. Also, a tango mailing list is not supposed to be a community junkyard: the reason for discussion is not to 'vent' frustration or to attack people or groups of people, but to share experiences, or to discuss certain views. Cold war methods of agitprop is NOT discussion. As for the remarks about navigation at La Viruta by others: It is not entirely the same crowd if you go on different days, or when different DJs/orchestras are around. Also, most foreigners (at the beginning, me too) did not understand those simple rules that have to be followed to do just about anything without a bump in any size of crowd. Something that was increasingly difficult for instance when the locals:foreigners ratio changed during a CITA. Of course, it is maybe only my superb navigation skills, but I don't think so... Peace, Aron [email protected] írta: > TANGO 2000 FOR DUMMIES > > Lesson 1 Nuevo Tango > > The challenge: Argentine Tango is forever changing and evolving and that’s > a good thing. I admire the younger generation for it’s Nuevo Tango and all > the work and effort they put into it however because of the nature of the > way Nuevo is danced it conflicts with the standard etiquette of traditional > social Tango. Perhaps no one has ever explained the rules but that doesn't > matter because the rules don't apply to Nuevo because of the way it’s > danced. So you see it’s a big problem that might not have a simple solution. > > Let me explain a couple of rules just so you know what I'm talking about. > > Tango is danced in a “line of dance” counter clockwise around the outer > edge of the floor. On a crowded floor you can form another line of dance > inside the first one and even a third one if it’s really crowded so if you > were hanging from the ceiling like spider man looking down it would look > like > a giant bulls eye. For those of us that like to stop and jump and spin and > kick we should first move to the middle of the bulls eye that way we don't > stop the line of dance and we don't injure anyone with our jumping and > kicking and everyone is happy. > > These rules suck for Nuevo Tango….no jumping spinning and kicking on a > crowded social dance floor. But hold on, I just saw that old dude leading a > boleo…what gives him the right to do it and not me? The experienced leader > will lead a soft low boleo he will pay attention to the line of dance he > will > use his floor craft to lead figures that will not harm others on the floor > and he won't slow down the line of dance. Remember the nature of Nuevo > Tango is to spin at incredible high speeds stay in one spot for long periods > of time and lead the follower to kick at least as high as a Radio City > Rockette. > > The Solution: > This is the hard part and I'm not sure I know the answer perhaps separate > milongas for Nuevo and Traditional is the only solution? > If anyone has any suggestions let the organizers know. If we talk about a > challenge we can find a solution. > > > _______________________________________________ > Tango-L mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l > -- Ecsedy Áron *********** Aron ECSEDY Tel: +36 20 66-36-006 http://www.milonga.hu/ http://www.holgyvalasz.hu/ _______________________________________________ Tango-L mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
