Hi Howard,

Perhaps, it's because many people have their hands tied up and can't
use it at work yet because their employer or customers have already
invested in an in-house or another Open Source MVC framework such as
Struts. I belong to that category myself, even though I really do see
the value of Tapestry when it comes to building truely componentised
web applications.

Over the past two weeks in London, I was amazed at the number of contracts
advertised on UK job sites that required MVC/Struts skills. Several months
ago, I can tell you that it wasn't the case. I fear that many companies are
standardising on Struts and therefore won't start migrating or developing
applications to "yet another web framework". Standardisation has made
J2EE what it is today, a widely adopted umbrella of standards. With Java
Server Faces coming up next, I honestly don't know where that would leave
Tapestry. Sigh.

IMHO, Tapestry needs a serious advocacy campaign. With a good integration
with popular IDE's (Geoff, great work by the way!), more articles, how-to's,
tutorials, and books published on popular web sites such as JavaWorld,
TheServerSide, JDJ and others, there could be a way to reverse that trend.

Finally, I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate you for the
incredible amount of time and effort you have put into building this great
framework!

Regards

Franck Rasolo
Independent Consultant
London, UK

 --- "Howard M. Lewis Ship" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Had a discussion last night about Tapestry's popularity and the ratio of
> downloads (over 6000 last month) against subscribers to this list.  It's a
> bit confusing ... there's only about 140 on the mailing list.  How many
> people are downloading Tapestry and putting it aside?
> 
> Things just don't add up.  If 5000 people downloaded Tapestry 2.0 and
> weren't interested, then did a different 6000 people download 2.1?  Or did
> the same folks download 2.0 and 2.1, but aren't interested enough to
> subscribe to this mailing list?
> 
> I joked it was because the Tapestry documentation is just so good, but
> what's really going on?
> 
> What are your thoughts?
> 
> Howard


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