This is consistent with what I'm seeing-- that Struts is the major 
competitor to Tapestry. Perhaps a targeted white paper describing the 
benefits of Tapestry over Struts?

Joe


>From: Franck Rasolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: "Howard M. Lewis Ship" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,  Tapestry Developer 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [Tapestry-developer] Random thought:  Why so few subscribers?
>Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:39:13 +0100 (BST)
>
>Hi Howard,
>
>Perhaps, it's because many people have their hands tied up and can't
>use it at work yet because their employer or customers have already
>invested in an in-house or another Open Source MVC framework such as
>Struts. I belong to that category myself, even though I really do see
>the value of Tapestry when it comes to building truely componentised
>web applications.
>
>Over the past two weeks in London, I was amazed at the number of contracts
>advertised on UK job sites that required MVC/Struts skills. Several months
>ago, I can tell you that it wasn't the case. I fear that many companies are
>standardising on Struts and therefore won't start migrating or developing
>applications to "yet another web framework". Standardisation has made
>J2EE what it is today, a widely adopted umbrella of standards. With Java
>Server Faces coming up next, I honestly don't know where that would leave
>Tapestry. Sigh.
>
>IMHO, Tapestry needs a serious advocacy campaign. With a good integration
>with popular IDE's (Geoff, great work by the way!), more articles, 
>how-to's,
>tutorials, and books published on popular web sites such as JavaWorld,
>TheServerSide, JDJ and others, there could be a way to reverse that trend.
>
>Finally, I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate you for the
>incredible amount of time and effort you have put into building this great
>framework!
>
>Regards
>
>Franck Rasolo
>Independent Consultant
>London, UK
>
>  --- "Howard M. Lewis Ship" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Had a discussion last night about Tapestry's popularity and the ratio of
> > downloads (over 6000 last month) against subscribers to this list.  It's 
>a
> > bit confusing ... there's only about 140 on the mailing list.  How many
> > people are downloading Tapestry and putting it aside?
> >
> > Things just don't add up.  If 5000 people downloaded Tapestry 2.0 and
> > weren't interested, then did a different 6000 people download 2.1?  Or 
>did
> > the same folks download 2.0 and 2.1, but aren't interested enough to
> > subscribe to this mailing list?
> >
> > I joked it was because the Tapestry documentation is just so good, but
> > what's really going on?
> >
> > What are your thoughts?
> >
> > Howard
>
>
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