Just my 2 cents (second Flash advocate):

I have successfully deployed several Flash-only systems, with no CPU
or memory problems. These are kiosk applications, which used to be
HTML with lots of javascript tricks but didn't look as good and even
were more difficult to change (for example, we have a "skins" thing in
the Flash versions so now it takes us one day to change the whole
look-and-feel). Now everything has a nicer flow and we can give the
users more eye-candy. These apps still get data from a database and
show important information (credit card, store catalog, wedding gift
lists, etc). I disagree with the view of Flash apps as annoying
banners that should be blocked. It's a shame that many sites do have
annoying banners... I guess all technologies can be misused, so the
same happens with QuickTime VR, RealAudio, etc. There is clearly a
market for animated content, a market where Flash surpassed applets by
many furlongs.

I'm firmly convinced that CPU problems in Flash apps can be caused by
bad programming. Of course, having 100 objects moving in the screen at
the same time will take a lot of CPU. DVD playing also has this
effect... :-)

Regarding heavily DHTML'ed and AJAX'ed sites, Gmail also takes a lot
of memory when running on Firefox, and I don't hear anyone
complaining...

And regarding Flash VM memory management, resource sharing, lazy
initialization... gimme a break. I don't see javascript doing any of
this. And I think the future of RIAs is still in the browser.

My conclusion is that there's a proper tool for everything. Laszlo, if
it overcomes some limitations, could be a very powerful tool to solve
many situations. For all I know, I would love to use a more open and
transparent tool than Flash while keeping all the advantages.

Dario.


PS Just to touch Tapestry issues since this is not a Flash list, I do
agree with Vinicius in that probably Flash can't take advantage of
Tapestry's abilities. And viceversa.


On 7/29/05, Konstantin Ignatyev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Yes, I would agree that Flash is widely installed, but
> I would not call it "software platform" – 99.9% of
> sites I have remember visiting use Flash as annoying
> glitter.
> One site I remember used Flash as application (real
> estate search) but it worked incorrectly on Linux.
> 
> And how about Flash VM memory management, resource
> sharing and management separately lazily loadable by
> client library of flash components anybody?
> 
> 
> All can be done but them Flash VM will become … JVM
> 
> --- The Chris Method <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > I'll play Flash advocate for good measure here. We
> > need to keep it
> > interesting, yes?
> >
> >
> 
> Konstantin Ignatyev
> 
> 
> 
> 
> PS: If this is a typical day on planet earth, humans will add fifteen million 
> tons of carbon to the atmosphere, destroy 115 square miles of tropical 
> rainforest, create seventy-two miles of desert, eliminate between forty to 
> one hundred species, erode seventy-one million tons of topsoil, add 2,700 
> tons of CFCs to the stratosphere, and increase their population by 263,000
> 
> Bowers, C.A.  The Culture of Denial:  Why the Environmental Movement Needs a 
> Strategy for Reforming Universities and Public Schools.  New York:  State 
> University of New York Press, 1997: (4) (5) (p.206)
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