Nope, it is not DB to blame.
--- "Yu, Ed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've to agree. Seeing the software stack, I can > definitely point to the > database as the most probable candidate for failure. > I've been using and > managing Postgresql database for a little while (not > as much as Oracle) and > I can definitely say that features available might > not be a best fit for > applications like TSS. > > My understanding is that if you have to use text > search capability, you have > to probably use database specific functions and > queries that might not be > available thru JDBC and that depending on versions > of the JDBC driver (and > the database), your performance varies. > > In addition, hearing from Howard's description of > the backend schema > containing only a handful of tables, you're > definitely going to run into > bottlenecks because there are only those handful of > tables serving thousands > of users concurrently. > > What seems strange is that the decision of using > Postgresql (which does not > support clustering to load balance) as the backend > to support a cluster of > app servers seems mysterious to me. Don't > misunderstand me, I love > Postgresql, and I know its capabilities and limits. > And I simply don't think > it is appropriate for this kind of loads. Anyway, > just me 2 cents. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Konstantin Ignatyev > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:44 AM > To: Tapestry users > Subject: Re: TheServerSide.com moving away from > Tapestry? > > http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=36654#185568 > > That IMO says exactly (although indirectly) what > does > not work and why TSS cannot tell directly what the > problem is. > > > > --- Benjamin Tomasini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > It *could* get really ugly. But from the tone of > > the discussions, it > > looks like the TSS folks are taking a very > balanced > > and honest approach. > > > > There was one ad hominem post that just listed the > > "culprits" without > > any kind of logical support. Joseph seemed to > take > > care of that well. > > > > The best way to answer any unfounded blame is to > ask > > for meaningful data > > behind any presented analysis. If TSS keeps this > > up, I think the > > Tapestry community, and the Java community as a > > whole will be served > > well. I still have faith that the OSS community > is > > a mertiocracy, and > > that over the long run, merit wins out over > > marketing and FUD. > > > > We'll see. > > > > I did try to post something like this on TSS, but > I > > couldn't login. :) > > > > Ben > > > > Geoff Longman wrote: > > > > >I understand. It's just that nobody is standing > up > > for Tapestry and > > >you are the only one with enough information to > do > > that without > > >sounding like an idiot. > > > > > >I realize there's a fine line to tread to avoid > > things degenerating > > >into fingerpointing. But the way I see it, the > > longer TechTarget is > > >in trouble the more likely it is that they will > > start looking for > > >scapegoats. I'm sure the people in there are > > working hard to solve the > > >problems. But what if another 3 weeks go by > without > > improvement? I > > >would expect at that point the insiders will go > > into "save my butt" > > >mode and shift blame to anything and everything > > they can to save thier > > >jobs. > > > > > >I could get really ugly. > > > > > >Geoff > > > > > >On 9/23/05, Howard Lewis Ship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >>These posts about TSS are troubling. > > >> > > >>The basic issue is that I signed on with The > > Middleware Company to do > > >>a number of phases of development of > > TheServerSide.com. The first > > >>phase was the basic translation of the site to a > > component object > > >>model, leaving all the functionality unchanged. > > >> > > >>At the same time this was occuring, a seperate > > team was converting the > > >>backend access from entity EJBs to Solarmetric > > Kodo. > > >> > > >>In the end, I had less than a week to integrate > > the two before going > > >>live. And yet, for the most part, the result > was > > quite succesful. > > >> > > >>However, with the acquisition of The Middleware > > Company by Tech > > >>Target, my involvement with TSS came to an end; > > the later, more > > >>interesting phases, where we simplified the > stack > > and built > > >>considerable UI improvements, has not come to > > pass. All I've seen is > > >>the introduction of more and more ads on the > site. > > >> > > >>I can't talk to the root problem today; I don't > > know it ... I do know > > >>that Tapestry is doing exactly what its supposed > > to be doing, that the > > >>functionality problems (missing posts and such) > > are a problem at the > > >>application layer (the stateless session bean > used > > to manage > > >>transactions) and the interaction between that > > layer, Kodo, Coherence, > > >>WebLogic and the database. In fact, given the > > simplicity of the > > >>database schema (just six or eight tables) I > > suspect the problem > > >>really is in the configuration and integration > of > > these elements. > > >> > > >>Based on what I've read, and some high level > > discussions I had with > > >>them last winter, I believe TechTarget is > building > > a single enterprise > > >>wide solution for all their many web sites., > > migrating away from the > > >>Tcl-based Vignette solution used by the majority > > of their sites, as > > >>well as the Tapestry-based solution for TSS.com > > and TSS.net. All I > > >>know about the solution is that it will be based > > on JEE (assuming that > > >>hasn't changed since our discussions). > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>On 9/22/05, Matt Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > >>>http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=36654 > === message truncated === Konstantin Ignatyev PS: If this is a typical day on planet earth, humans will add fifteen million tons of carbon to the atmosphere, destroy 115 square miles of tropical rainforest, create seventy-two miles of desert, eliminate between forty to one hundred species, erode seventy-one million tons of topsoil, add 2,700 tons of CFCs to the stratosphere, and increase their population by 263,000 Bowers, C.A. The Culture of Denial: Why the Environmental Movement Needs a Strategy for Reforming Universities and Public Schools. 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