Personally, if I never have to work with swing again, I'll die
happy. It always struck me as overdesigned ... sort of the EJB of gui
development. Plus I never liked the look and feel of swing UI's anyway,
which is why I'm so glad eclipse is SWT based. 
        Yes, I know others may disagree; I'm not claiming swing is evil,
just that I don't like it :).

        --- Pat

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Stang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 2:01 PM
> To: Tapestry users; Tapestry users
> Subject: RE: daydreaming of tapetry and ajax
> 
> If you want to see another:
> 
> In  fact I think the internals of tapestry look more like swing code than
> any other web framework I've seen thus far, and if you've ever done a lot
> of swing (rendering with Graphics) objects you'll know what I'm talking
> about.
> 
> Take a look at Echo:
> 
> The Echo2 Web Framework is the next-generation of Echo, a platform for
> developing web-based applications that approach the capabilities of rich
> clients. The 2.0 version holds true to the core concepts of Echo while
> providing dramatic performance, capability, and user-experience
> enhancements made possible by its new Ajax-based rendering engine. Echo is
> an open-source product, licensed under the Mozilla Public License (also
> available under the LGPL), which makes royalty-free development of both
> commercial and open-source products possible.
> 
> http://www.nextapp.com/products/
> 
> Echo is where we want to go.  I proposed it here and it was shot down due
> to the need for developers to understand Swing.
> 
> regards,
> 
> Mark
> 
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