> On Jan 11, 2018, at 12:23 AM, Michael Welzl <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Tommy, > > A few answers below: > >> On Jan 10, 2018, at 6:11 PM, Tommy Pauly <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Hello TAPS, >> >> In Singapore, there was much discussion about where we go after the minset >> drafts, and what documents will form charter item 3: >> >> 3) Specify experimental support mechanisms to provide the Transport >> Services identified in work item 2. This document will explain >> how to select and engage an appropriate protocol and how to >> discover which protocols are available for the selected service >> between a given pair of end points. Further, it will provide a >> basis for incremental deployment. Work on this document will >> begin when the TAPS Transport Services have been specified. >> >> Since it would be good to get convergence and adoption of documents in >> London, I’d like to take a stab at how we can structure the WG documents and >> start a discussion on this list to decide our collective approach. >> >> At a high level, based on the work of NEAT, Post Sockets, Happy Eyeballs, >> Socket Intents, etc, it seems like the “support mechanisms” for TAPS are >> converging into categories (a) how to expose functionality in an Abstract >> API and (b) guidance on how to implement a library that provides TAPS >> functionality. These two categories are not unrelated, but have different >> audiences; Abstract APIs are aimed at adopters of a TAPS system, while the >> implementation guidance aspects are aimed at library and system >> implementers. The high-level concepts that bind these together form the >> overall TAPS architecture. >> >> Looking at things in this way, I could imagine three documents, which would >> form the capstone of the TAPS work >> 1) TAPS Architecture: high level explanation of the approach and goals, how >> the API and implementations relate, and how the system is derived from the >> protocol surveys and minset. Defines consistent terminology for concepts >> used in the other documents. >> 2) TAPS API: document aimed at adopters taking advantage of a TAPS system: >> configuration, initiation of channels, listening/responding, data transfer, >> and maintenance. >> 3) TAPS Implementation Guide: document aimed at implementers on how to bring >> up connections (handling a multiplicity of paths, endpoints, and protocols), >> sending and receiving data through protocol stack instances, and >> interpreting configuration and system policy into decisions. > > Funny, I have also been thinking about item 3 in exactly this way for a long > time … and I believe we two are not the only ones. > This split really seems quite natural. >
Good to hear that the split seems reasonable! > >> I believe that many (or all) of the outstanding documents we have in the WG >> already fall into one or more of the categories. Here’s a table with the >> three proposed documents as 1, 2, 3, and three aspects of a TAPS >> system/architecture as A, B, C: >> >> >> A >> B >> C >> 1. TAPS Architecture >> Connection Establishment >> Data transfer >> Policy and Path Selection >> 2. TAPS API >> Initiator/Listener/Responder >> Send/Receive >> Intents and configuration >> 3. TAPS Implementation Guide >> Protocol Racing, Path Racing, Happy Eyeballs >> Protocol Stack Instance >> Policy engine >> >> In this table, we could see the existing documents contributing aspects to >> certain blocks: >> >> draft-fairhurst-taps-neat: 1A, 1B, 1C, 2A, 2B, 2C, 3C >> draft-trammell-taps-post-sockets: 1A, 1B, 1C, 2A, 2B, (2C), (3B) >> draft-pauly-taps-guidelines: 3A, (1C) >> draft-grinnemo-taps-he: 3A >> draft-tiesel-taps-socketintents: 2C > > I agree with this rough assessment. This table is good to think about! > I think draft-tiesel-taps-communitgrany is missing for 1) (not sure if it’s > A / B / C, but it’s about terminology) Yes, this wasn’t a complete list. Also note that I’m not proposing that we adopt any of the documents as they are, but specifically adopt WG items for Architecture, API, and Implementation, and we build those documents from the existing ones, taking the best parts of all of them. > > >> This is a rough assignment and not necessarily exhaustive, but the point is >> that much of the content is probably already there is some form, and can be >> reinterpreted into these documents. >> >> What do people think about this approach? Any aspects that are missed here >> that would need to be separate documents, or new sections across the >> documents? > > Personally I like the approach but I’d caution that we need a tight > connection between the lines in the table. For everything we do, we must make > sure it’s implementable, and explain how. Hence, a document describing API > primitives should also clarify how these primitives could be implemented - > with the split you describe above, by pointing at a specific section for each > functionality in a "line 3” document (if these things really are going to be > separate documents?). That’s why I’d propose having three documents that are adopted as a group, that are designed to go through the process together, and heavily reference one another. The definition of what goes in each should be based on the audience. One other comment I have for the API is that it should likely remain agnostic to specific protocols: it should say “here’s how to send/receive with these kind of options, and protocols will treat them like this”; but the implementation document can go into details of how those map down to specific protocol details in existing mappings (TCP, SCTP, UDP, QUIC). My two goals in saying this are: 1) The API should be simple and easy to understand for an adopter’s perspective 2) The API should be relevant despite changes in transport protocols de jour. Maybe in fifty years no one is using TCP anymore; we’ll publish implementation and mapping updates, but the API document should still be unchanged. Thanks, Tommy > > Cheers, > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > Taps mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/taps > <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/taps>
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