well I have to deal with the fish guitarist who has a photographic memory of sorts and objects to the word 'in' being substituted for the word 'on'....
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 3:16 PM, ljt <[email protected]> wrote: > > Robin, that is spot on with what I read about such things...but you > filled it in ...makes good sense to me. It did take a lot of > recycling for me to learn those four set of two line verses.... > > Even colder in Hobart... > > On Jul 6, 8:32 pm, The Holstein Kid <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hey Robin, > > > > Recycling...that sounds like practice :-) > > > > I like it. > > > > Cheers from chilly Sydney...Holstein > > > > On Jul 6, 5:27 pm, Robin Gravina <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On a slightly more serious note than the fish scheme, I think that > > > remembering songs takes a different approach from many learning tasks, > > > particularly if you are all singing harmony and are not free to change > any > > > words as you go along and the spirit hits you. > > > > > For learning most things, it's enough to get the basic concepts and > > > understand them and you can use memory tags to help you, but with a > song you > > > have to get it absolutely perfect and with no time to think about it. > That > > > means that techniques like mind mapping and so on are not really > > > appropriate, unless you are trying to learn the overall structure of > > > something like a story song, rather than the detailed words. > > > > > Everyone has their method, but I think ultimately you have to sit down > and > > > learn each line and verse with a piece of paper - read, recite and test > > > yourself with the paper turned over, then when you practice with your > > > friends really notice where you are not sure and learn it again. Memory > > > works in cycles, so it does help to learn something, then to go back to > it a > > > couple of hours later, the following morning, two days time and so on: > there > > > is a process whereby material goes from short term to medium and long > term > > > memory and you can speed it up by recycling. > > > > > Best > > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:43 AM, The Holstein Kid > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > Morning All, > > > > > > We had our performance on Sat night and I did two short brackets with > > > > different teams. The first stint was a blast and my accompaniment > > > > needed no music so we ripped through it without a hitch. The second > > > > stint was with a different guitar and a fiddle and the guitarist had > > > > his lyrics on the floor. In the tune that he sang he was not pitching > > > > too well. I believe he was so worried about reading the words that > his > > > > mind wasn’t where it should’ve been, but that’s the way it goes, it > > > > was still fun but a more inhibited effort on his part. Better next > > > > time. > > > > > > We played a few traditional tunes and several Louvin numbers which > > > > have harmonies. I found that a lot of the groups had good pickers but > > > > weak vocals. The jam is once a month so we aim to learn new tunes for > > > > each performance until the number steadily grows. It was interesting > > > > to see that most other groups had music stands and it seemed to be > the > > > > norm. > > > > > > Out of interest, I read about How To Improve Your Memory and they > talk > > > > about Goal Setting, Mind Mapping, Mind Mechanics and so on. I wonder > > > > if there are any school teachers that are in this group, and are > there > > > > any special techniques to apply to music? > > > > > > I’m pretty hopeless with names on first encounter because I take in > > > > the description and features of a person, always forgetting the > > > > seemingly most important thing, the name! When I make a conscious > > > > effort to remember their name, attribute something to it, it > works…but > > > > I usually forget to do this, it’s not a habit. How ironic. > > > > > > I better start using my Mind Tools better. > > > > > > H > > > > > > On Jul 4, 12:20 am, Robin Gravina <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I have to tell you all that our guitarist invented a new mnemnonic > > > > technique > > > > > based on using fish to remember the order of the verses: for > example 'two > > > > > dollar bill': > > > > > > > *L*obster (Lost all my money..) > > > > > *C*od (Cloudy in the west..) > > > > > *D*ogfish (Dark and it's raining..) > > > > > *H*ake (Homesick and lonesome...) > > > > > *B*ass (Black smoke a rising..) > > > > > > > My question is whether he should be institutionalised, or whether > some > > > > kind > > > > > of medication would sort him out... > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:11 PM, The Holstein Kid > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks Everyone, terrific feedback. I hope my guitarist comes > through > > > > > > tomorrow night, I'll keep y'all informed. > > > > > > There is a tune where I kept confusing the verses, and in Take > Your > > > > > > Shoes Off Moses the Fiddle asked what the word Smite meant. After > > > > > > several comments, laughter, discussion etc, I then always > remembered > > > > > > that word to be in the 2nd verse and it stuck like glue. I also > used > > > > > > to be a bit lazy with I Don't Believe You've Met My Baby (Louvin) > and > > > > > > after deciding to learn it properly, I began rehearsing without > paper > > > > > > and then started singing in the shower and in the car, which did > the > > > > > > trick. I started to imagine the plot to the story and Bingo. But > my > > > > > > poor family :-) > > > > > > > > Chef, that RS link sums it all up . . . . now what was I > > > > > > sayin' . . . . > > > > > > HK > > > > > > > > On Jul 3, 10:03 pm, ljt <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > The Foggy Memory Boys....great name, great concept...sure would > love > > > > > > > to see one of your ...efforts, sounds like lots of fun for all. > > > > > > > > > On Jul 3, 5:24 pm, Robin Gravina <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It seems as if a lot of Tater folk have a band going - why > don't we > > > > > > share > > > > > > > > songs & videos and so on? I'd be interested to hear what > everyone's > > > > > > doing - > > > > > > > > seems like there are a lot of creative people here, and that > people > > > > are > > > > > > > > applying their mandolin to some different styles. > > > > > > > > > > How about it? > > > > > > > > Robin > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Val Mindel < > [email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The sheet flat on the stage for prompting purposes is a > good tip > > > > for > > > > > > > > > songs that have lyrics that are easy to screw up, but it > seems > > > > like > > > > > > > > > learning the words is a fairly early and necessary step > along the > > > > way > > > > > > > > > to getting on top of a song, getting it performance ready. > I too > > > > have > > > > > > > > > failing-memory issues at times, but going over problem > words > > > > > > > > > immediately before a gig seems to work, and I'm much > happier not > > > > > > > > > having to try to read something while on > stage...particularly > > > > since > > > > > > > > > the advent of trifocals, which do really disturbing things > to > > > > lines > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > type, especially at critical moments. I do better with my > aging > > > > > > > > > memory. > > > > > > > > > On Jul 2, 1:42 pm, Pat Murphree <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Our band chose the name "The Foggy Memory Boys" so we can > get > > > > away > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > things like forgotten lyrics and other screw-ups. It also > excuses > > > > the > > > > > > use of > > > > > > > > > stands. > > > > > > > > > > > > Murph > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > From: "The Holstein Kid" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > To: "Taterbugmando" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 4:58:00 AM GMT -08:00 > US/Canada > > > > > > Pacific > > > > > > > > > > Subject: To stand, or not?? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thought I might throw this out there. The new group I’m > in is > > > > > > having a > > > > > > > > > > little trouble remembering lyrics to our tunes at this > stage, > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > we’ve got a performance on Sat night. Because we’re only > doing > > > > up > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > six tunes, I suggested we shouldn’t have a music stand in > > > > sight. I > > > > > > > > > > think it looks more professional not to have a stand and > you > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > know your music. Right or not so? > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps if we were doing several sets it might be a > different > > > > > > story. I > > > > > > > > > > noticed a photo of EC and Co. on his recent tour with > music > > > > stands > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > stage. It’s obviously acceptable to do this and I wonder > if > > > > that > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > for a full show which is what it looked like. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any opinion or rule of thumb you guys go by? > > > > > > > > > > > > HK- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Taterbugmando" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
