Hello Arjan, Wednesday, October 13, 2004, 16:51:41, you wrote:
AdG> You may or may not have read my contribution on TBBeta about my AdG> (failed) attempt at installing the "No RC" 3.01 MSI package AdG> (which needed three attempts at RitLabs to get it more or less AdG> working). That really sucked. In my opinion RitLabs could have AdG> easily avoided the problems by doing some basic testing them- AdG> selves. But instead they hastily threw out yet another faulty AdG> version which had at least 1 bug from previous beta's AdG> reoccurring. I cannot conclude otherwise than that they made an AdG> extremely sloppy job of this "No RC" package release. AdG> And yes, this experience has 1) annoyed me, 2) strengthened my AdG> intention to avoid version 3, at least for the time being, and AdG> 3) opened my eyes to the fact that The Beta! Testers get exactly AdG> what they deserve. With all due respect I would like to point out some details here: 1. Microlost Installer sucks. 2. MSI installs have an uncanny ability of blowing up. 3. There many, many, different ways an install can go wrong. No developer can test them all. Not even Microlost can. 4. the (in)famous Microsoft Installer Clean Up utility was written by MS so that absolutely blotched MSOffice installs could be cleared out of the system *WITHOUT* a full format & reinstall of Windows itself. 5. having more than one entry in the ARP is no big deal. I am not saying it is good, or even correct -- just saying it is no big deal. 6. No one is REQUIRED to upgrade. I myself have, many times, held on to an older release of a product because I did not like/trust/whatever the newer versions. But, eventually, one either upgrades, or leaves aside the product. and, on a personal note: 7. You came in way too strong and, what is worse, your note sounded like a personal attack -- ergo, troll. 8. finally, I am not sure the TB! beta testers got what they deserve. But, it seems, we are stuck with you :-). 9. If one does not like a feature (or absence of one) in a product, there are better ways of getting it there. Amazingly all of them usually start with "being nice" and "providing reasons". You note lacked both. Now, for a very old saying: "when you enter a city, abide by it's laws". -- ..hggdh.. Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 and BayesIt! 0.7.3 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4
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