--On Saturday, October 29, 2005 12:12 AM +0300 9Val <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>  Are  here  honest  people,  who will note, that this is just bug-fix
>   changelog?  And  clever  enough to understand, that beta-testers see
>   dynamics  and  therefore  forget  the  difference  between  discrete
>   release  versions?  Or  may  be  beta-testers think that their elite
>   position allows to hide that fixes from average users?

- There are quite a lot ... a disturbing lot who still use v2 software
because it's more stable for them.

- There are quite a few ... it's certainly more than the vocal more
than a few, who choose to use early v3's than what was available prior
to this release. Why? Works better for them. The later releases that
contain long lists of bug fixes as you posted, are less stable for
them. Old features that worked, no longer work, while new features they
don't need are introduced.

- there's no clear progression of bug fixing because of the *constant*
addition of new features that not only leads to bugs directly
associated with the new features. Introduction of new features all too
often bring old bugs to the surface, and breaks previously working
components. It's not unusual for efforts to be put into debugging the
new feature and a previously working and now broken component remains
neglected. So, the list is big, yes. However, the overall stability of
the program is still a problem. TB! has earned a solid reputation of
users fearing upgrades because it's so common for a feature that's
important to them to no longer work as expected because it has been
broken through the introduction of something new.

The long list of fixes may seem impressive and we do appreciate the
hours put into making it happen. However, sometimes, a lot of work is
done and yet the end result isn't satisfactory to all involved. The one
who actually does the work is the one that is usually blind to the
validity of criticisms. Grumpy beta testers to this degree and for the
reasons given, I've never seen before. There must be some credibility
to find there. This needs exploring.

- I do agree that the average user may not detect a lot of the bugs
that are present. However, I do think that it's dangerous to assume
that this is universally true. If you wish to chase away the passing
user, just make them encounter AV's and crashes. 

- I've given up on TB! IMAP for now since it let me down again when put
to the test with a low bandwidth situation. It's no longer fun fiddling
around. I just want it to work. It will become fun again, when real
changes are being made and I can test them. So since nothing much is
happening for IMAP, I'll stick with apps that work all the time. 

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