Hello Paul, On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 10:59:28 -0400 GMT (16-Apr-20, 21:59 +0700 GMT), Paul Van Noord wrote:
> 4/16/2020 10:41 AM > Hi Thomas, > On 4/15/2020 Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF>> Hello Paul, TF>> On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:17:14 -0400 GMT (15-Apr-20, 22:17 +0700 GMT), TF>> Paul Van Noord wrote: >>>>>> There will have been a reason for that, don't you think? >>>>> Isn't the Beta usually taken down when Ritlabs issues a new Beta >>>>> or release version? TF>>>> That's correct. It has become useless, as any bugs found should not be TF>>>> distributed any more. That's the whole idea of beta testing. >>> There have been multiple occasions in the past where a given beta caused >>> problems for me requiring me to go to a previous version. This is why I >>> keep copies of all acceptable betas. "Latest and greatest" are not >>> synonymous! TF>> Yes, beta versions can have problems, that's why users of beta TF>> versions are called beta testers, and they participate in the beta TF>> forum (or mailing list, as it is in the case of TheBat) and report TF>> back. There is never a reason for someone who is not a beta tester to TF>> download any beta version. TF>> Once the release version is out, there is no need to revert back to a TF>> beta version. TF>> Otherwise, there would be something fundamentally wrong with the beta TF>> process. I'm not saying saying this never happens in the world, I am TF>> just saying it would be highly unusual if you have to revert back from TF>> a release version to a beta version to make have a better version. > I have been a TB user for 32 years. I have been a beta tester for at > least 12 years. Perhaps my TB experience exceeds your experience. I have > clients all over the world. I fail to appreciate someone of lesser > experience telling me the "facts". A closed mind slams the door shut on > ability to learn. You are right here, I bow to your experience. I have only be a beta tester for TB for 21 years. My MSc in Computing is already more than 10 years old, and my programming skills that started in 1978 are a bit rusty by now, so they don't count. I feel privileged to have found a master in you. > My methods have proven their value in the test of time and experience > for me and my clients. Since I highly customize the TB ui for each > client. It is absurd that a release of a MSI would be published with > this glaring defect. It forced me back to a beta where Toolbar > Customization worked as it did for many years! Yes, as I said: It is the exception. The exception does not make it a rule though. If I were you, I would not use beta versions with my clients, but that's your decision. I would test the new releases myself before upgrading, and if I cannot recommend them, would go back to the previous release. Not any beta version; I would recommend them only for beta testers, never for production and especially not for clients. But that's me, and people work differently. And here is a fact: I hope the IT guy in my company does not install any beta versions on our computers. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! Version 9.1.14 (64-bit) under Windows 10.0 Build 18362 ________________________________________________ Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html