Hello, Alex.
On Saturday, October 09, 1999, 3:45:04 PM, you wrote:
> Hi there!
> On 8 Oct 99, at 21:58, Keith Russell wrote
> about "Re: Tips Language, 1.36 release":
>> >> �� ������ ����� ������� "�����
>> >>
>> >> What's up?
>>
>> > It's in Russian:-)) "You may easily select the belov.....":-)
>> > Must be a bug:-(
>>
>> Okay, so how do I view the Russian? When I viewed Alexander's message
>> with The Bat! 1.36 at work, I saw very nice Cyrillic characters.
>> However, Tip of the Day was displayed as pure garbage. I tried
>> switching to every Cyrillic encoding, and every encoding displayed garbage.
> Okay, I'll try to explain <sigh>:-)) It's not simple to explain
> anyway, it's more of "trial and error" thing IMHO, and besides
> IMO it's usually *pretty* hard to explain those 8-bit matters to an
> English-speaker (maybe, too proud of your own language? no
> personal offence, please:-))).
Hey, not me! I was educated as a linguist and have studied (hold on
while I count) at least eight languages, including Russian. Why do you
think I'm interested in this, anyway? Too proud of my own language?
Not me! I'll take Korean any day 8-).
Anyway, no offence taken :-).
[excellent explanation of character sets snipped]
Alexander, actually I understand all this, having spent a lot of time
with CJK encoding. I'm sure your time won't be wasted, though, because
I'm sure that there are other interested subscribers
who will benefit from it.
> Now let's look closer at how TB uses this technics. Suppose,
> somebody (say, me) sends you a message in Russian. The
> standard "encoding"[1] for e-mail in Russian is KOI8-R, which
> is stated in the message headers (kludges in TB's terminology:-
> )). On your side TB "sees" this string in headers and
> *automatically* switches the font script used to display the
> message to "Cyrillic". *But* provided that the font you're in the
> habit of using doesn't contain *this particular script* it will fail,
> and then *you* will fail to see the Russian text correctly. So we
> obtained the answer to your first question: apparently, you are
> using *different* fonts at home and at work, one *with* Cyrillic
> support (i.e. script), the other -- without it.
Actually, I'm at work and just checked again. Syllable's original post
displays garbage, but your response (also quoted above) gives me
perfect Russian 8-). Were you cheating somehow?
I'll have to admit--I did forget to check the font (maybe because it
doesn't seem to make any difference to a Korean display, which font I
choose!). But I still haven't found one that will display Russian.
The next question is this: You gave Arial as an example of a font that
supports Cyrillic, but Arial is not available to me in The Bat! In
fact, few of the many fonts I have installed are. How do I get The
Bat! to see it?
> The completely different case is with the tips-file. TB has no
> control over what font script is used to diplay the "tips window",
> so it uses the font+script pair which is the default for your
> system (apparently, in your case the script is Western).
> Obviously, the Russian text displayed using the wrong font
> script looks like gibberish:-))
That makes sense....
> Well, HTH:-)
HTH???
> [1] See the RFC #2047 if you're interested in these matters.
Yes.
The Transport section of Account Preferences has a setting for 8-bit
character treatment. I suspect that this might also affect the Russian
display.
Thanks again for taking the time to compose this lengthy response!
Keith
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