On 21 November 1999 at 21:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] told the list:
AVK> Hi there!
Hi Alex - nice to see you back on the list proper! :-)
AVK> On 18 Nov 99, at 22:20, Bernhard Kaiser wrote
AVK> about "Re[2]: (No Subject)":
>> People like Steve Lamb make it so hard for beginners to stay in
>> this list.
This is the main point of the objections to the style of Steve Lamb's
postings.
As a matter of fact, although I misunderstood his writing style myself
when he first appeared on the list, I have since found myself in
complete agreement with what he has to say at most (if not all) times.
That doesn't detract from the point that the bandwidth on the list
goes through the roof whenever anyone wants to pick a fight with him.
Sometimes it gets to be a very interesting read, but that doesn't stop
it being off-putting for the newbie who just wants to know how the
cookie files work or how to customize a template. Just as they pluck
up courage to ask, they see another newbie getting *apparently* flamed
for having the temerity to make a suggestion.
Note the stress on the word *apparently*. After extensive study :-9, I
can see that Steve is only standing for what is technologically
correct.
It doesn't change the impression received.
Steve - any chance of a lowering of tone when dealing with newbies?
Anyone wanting to take exception to Steve - any chance of *always*
taking it off-list?
AVK> Okay, M$ *has* opened new horizons, hasn't it? They are
AVK> implementing all the idiotic ideas they find on their way, IMHO:-
AVK> ) Like the results?
Exactly Steve's point .. and it is *so* true ... but, oh my, <sigh>
the bandwidth ... and there are some that think M$ actually get it
right - even to the point of recommending their products!
AVK> Second. I don't think Steve has chosen the right tone for his
AVK> recent postings to the list. It's just *my own* opinion, the
AVK> official one is up to the moderators.
The official one is ... (off the top of my head) ... take it off list
*as soon* as you find yourself 2 replies into an impassioned debate.
I'm sure that Leif and Wolfgang would agree with me about that. It
really does scare off the newcomers - the ones who *really* need the
help this list has to offer.
I have daily sight of the sign-in / out logs and many newcomers leave
on the same day. I must do the stats on it sometime and see how much
more quickly they leave when there is a heated debate like this one
going down. :-)
AVK> Fourth. Let's finally stop this discussion, I (and _hopefully_
AVK> many others) have lots of other things to do other then reading
AVK> your flames, half of which I hardly understand. Either write in
AVK> "literal" English so that everyone could understand, or
AVK> communicate with each other. As I see it, this very list is
AVK> pretty multinational:-))
DEAD HORSE PRONOUNCED!
Cheers,
Marck
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