First, let me say that I'm glad that you dropped the "u" and "r" and
assorted "o-day 133+" (that's "zero-day elite" translated from wannabe
hacker language for someone who gets warez on the day a title is
released, so they're really cool) speech, since it'll generally get
you pegged, on this list anyway, as someone who isn't really worth
listening to.
Now that you've joined the mainstream writing patterns, I have one
more thing to pop on ya.
s> Well...what is happening here in fact is the following: some users
s> that are around here a longer time feel that they somehow own this
s> group and make them self to authorities which they aren't.
Not exactly true, although I can see how perception leads to that.
However, the people that quickly and brusquely asserted "no, that's
not good" to webboards and newsgroups do pretty well speak for the
list in general in that way since, as has been pointed out, these
topics have been discussed in the past, and more than once at that.
My point is that these people are not acting as their opinions are
"the truth" regardless of how the individuals typically react, but
rather they are pointing out what has been decided, by the active
members of the list, in the past.
s> You are no moderator, or whatever here, so why don't you just be
s> quiet or make real posts which some constructive information.
I could say the same back to you, you aren't the moderator, who are
you to make implementation decisions on the discussion list?
s> Yes, I'm new, so what? You want me to keep my mouth shut? No I won't.
Nobody told you to shut up but rather gave you information informing
you on why they thought your ideas were both stale and uninteresting.
s> I will tell you my opinion, right from the beginning, and do you know
s> what? I don't care about people like you that think I have to earn the
s> right to make criticism by staying here a while.
Umm, you're not exactly correct since the moderators can unsubscribe
you from the list at any time whatsoever.
s> No, I don't have to earn that right! And I'm telling that to all of
s> you older users that think that they can bash me just because I'm a
s> newbie. This group is free and everyone can say his opinion. I'm
s> not limited to asking questions just because I'm new. Yes, I can
s> critisize, why not?
Typical societal convention (aka Usenet, mail-lists, etc.) suggests
that you wait 30 days before posting ANYTHING. Then you get a handle
on what the discussion group is all about, you get a pointer to the
direction that the community is going, etc.
Now obviously, since this is a help list, one doesn't want to have to
read it 30 days before solving some nagging problem with the software.
However, oftentimes the question will come up anyway in that 30 days,
so any given post is really worthless since the "FAQ"s are asked
frequently enough so that they will be repeated more than once a
month.
Regardless, you weren't asking a newbie question but rather suggesting
that there are better ways to do what we're doing and what we're happy
with. To say that a parishoner can go to a new church and start
demanding that the preacher speak a different language is ridiculous;
only through some observation can you really make that determination.
s> After all I've used other email programs and have some Internet
s> experience. And just to add another information about newsgroups.
s> If newsreading is that bad, why will a newsreader be added to the
s> next version of the bat?
Yay, most of us have used other email programs, and a lot of us have a
lot more than some Internet experience. I've been sending email and
reading the news since 1990, so I can tell you honestly what my
opinion is and why.
Adding a newsreader to TB! is a big waste of time and energy, IMO.
However, for some reason RIT wants to make LookOutPlus or something,
so I guess we'll just sit by and watch the software get more and more
diversified and less and less suited to any particular task... :(
Personally, I would like TB to get better thread management and allow
us to do more newsreader-esque things to deal with mailing lists. As
it is, I have to wade through loads of crap that I don't want to deal
with simply because there's no straight forward way to ignore a
thread. That coupled with the fact that you can thread by references
or subject, but not some hybrid of both, makes some mailing lists
nearly unreadable to me. :(
I vote against WWWboard for two reasons: you can't access the info
without a net connection and the software generally sucks anyway. I'm
anti-usenet group because I check it so infrequently and some things I
just like to keep up on.
However, if the TBUDL were accessed via NNTP I tell you it'd be a lot
easier to read, since Agent actually has the capability to deal with
the volume of mail that comes in without actually requiring you to do
a lot of work...
-tom!
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