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On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:05:42 -0700, Nick Andriash wrote:
NA> Ok, my apologies... I wasn't sure about that. So, having moved all
NA> my Templates over to the AB level, it looks like I am still
NA> vulnerable to that bug. :o(
The bug that you're referring to here, goes like this:
If you are in threaded mode while browsing a folder, and new messages
arrive in the folder, more than one message will be highlighted. Also,
sometimes, the body of the message that you're currently viewing,
disappears from the message view area and you have to reselect the
message to display the body (this latter part may save you from the rest
of the buggy behaviour :-)) Now, if you wish to reply to the message
that you're currently viewing, and more than one messages are selected,
two messages are generated, addressed to two different recipients and
yet the quoted text is the same. All too often the message at the top is
the one for the unintended recipient. Since the contents of the message
look fine, you don't realize that the message is addressed to the wrong
person. Afterall, do you always check the address in your replies, when
the quotation is correct? You go ahead, compose your reply and hit send,
only to see another message in front of you!! It's only then that you
realize what happened and by then it's too late.
AFAICK, this has nothing to do with templates and how they work.
>> When the user clicks a mailto:, TB does as it's been told to do when
>> creating a message from the current folder and re-addresses it. The
>> problem is in the use, not the programming.
NA> Well, there is where I get confused, because in that instance, TB! was
NA> instructed to generate a new message, addressed according to the specified
NA> address in the MailTo, and should have nothing to do with the Folder it
NA> resides in. When I am in a web page and click on a MailTo, TB! generates a
NA> new, properly addressed message to that specified in the MailTo regardless
NA> of what Folder I have open. What is the difference?
The difference is that you aren't dealing with a mailto link within a
message within TB!. The difference is that the mailto link invoked
within TB! is within a message which resides in a folder. Any message
generated while browsing this folder should use the templates as defined
by the user.
If you use the %To macro in the folder templates, you're telling TB! to
*always* include the address/es defined by the macro in the To: field of
new messages from that folder. If suppressing this behaviour in
particular situations is hard coded into TB!, the awful business of
trying to assume what the user wants comes into play. If a mailto link
is invoked externally, then it's quite obvious that the user wants the
message addressed only to the mailto address. This is not necessarily so
when browsing a folder. I may define a %To address in the new message
template for my foo folder because I *do* wish for all messages
generated from this folder to go to a particular address, even messages
invoked from a mailto link in one of the messages. It could be a folder
for business related mail for instance, where a particular business
associates need a copy of all messages.
IOW's, I agree with Marck that it's not a bug but only TB! doing as the
user instructs.
NA> If it's a matter of 'focus', is there no way to remedy the problem
NA> so one can use Folder Templates without fear or worry?
The way to remedy the problem is there, ie, address book templates. :-)
This is exactly why I use them. I can use templates appropriately
without fear or worry about which folder is in focus and without fear or
worry of the message being inappropriately addressed. My *only* concern
so far, is the less screen real estate to work with when pressing the
little arrow beside the new message button. <g>
The way folder templates are implemented is just fine to me. It's just
that address book templates provide a better solution for me. I have
nothing against folder templates, but if the user wishes to use them,
they have to understand the logical constraints and limitations
involved, then work within them.
Using the %TO macro at the folder level to conveniently address new
messages, has its drawback as I described above. I realized the logical
reasoning behind it when I got bitten by it very early in my TB! usage.
I immediately changed to creating new message addressing through the
favourites menu, and then much later, migrated to using address book
templates exclusively.
NA> I remember reading where Allie experimented by associating his AB
NA> with an LDAP Server, and ended up completely losing his AB if I'm
NA> not mistaken.
But again, this has nothing to do with using address book templates. If
I had lost only addresses, it would have still been traumatic because a
lot of address book entries were inadvertently deleted. I lost the
addresses because of poor documentation and having to resort to
experimentation in order to elucidate how LDAP searching worked. The
problem in that incident was me and my ignorance. :-)
NA> His saving grace was that he was sharp enough to have a current
NA> backup.
:-) I hope that one day one will no longer be labelled "sharp" for
having backups. <g>
NA> Also, I just went through a series of tests with the help of Ming-Li
NA> to realize that I had a 'faulty' AB entry whereby the AB Templates,
NA> for whatever reason, had no effect. Deleting the entry and
NA> re-creating it solved the problem, but who would have ever guessed
NA> that you could have a faulty AB entry.
I've never experienced what you seem to be implying there, which is the
address book entry is faulty, though what you've entered in the address
book fields are without fault. I have had problems with templates
working, but it has always been me that's the problem, in that the
addressing is wrong, sometimes because of an extra space or an absent or
extra dot in the address. Recreating the entry would remedy that for
sure. ;-)
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