A Bat-fellow, Januk Aggarwal,
wrote on Friday, July 20, 2001 at 21:50:49 (GMT -0700),
which was Saturday 6:50 a.m. in Bratislava --
JA> Well, it may not be the shortcuts you're after, but what about
JA> Alt-M(essage)-C(opy) or Alt-M(essage)-M(ove)? It seems to work
JA> from all the views.
Too slow. Especially since you can't easily type that with one hand
(as a rule you press M with the right hand). Therefore it's actually
quicker to press TAB+TAB+CTRL+V for moving a message into another
folder.
So or so, it's embarrassing that two elementary operations like this
(moving or copying messages across folders) don't have keyboard
shortcuts assigned to them when the cursor is located in the message
body.
A>> Even Outlook allows you to move or copy messages across folders
A>> easily.
JA> I'm not familliar with Outlook's mail management methods. Does it
JA> use a simple shortcut as well?
Outlook lacks the intelligence of Pegasus or Forte Agent, so it -- of
course! -- uses an unnecessary two-letter (instead of single-letter)
keyboard shortcut (TB is no different in this respect). And it's the
damndest shortcut of them all: CTRL+Y!
Software developers who choose the letter Z or Y as obligatory part of
any keyboard shortcut attest to their ignorance and
narrow-mindedness. This is because on most European keyboards except
the English keyboard, Z is located where Y is on the English keyboard.
And if you correspond in your own language in addition to English (who
doesn't do that today?) you're then never quite sure whether you're
hitting Z or Y when you need to hit CTRL+Y (as in Outlook for moving
messages across folders).
Outlook is too dumb to care about that. I kept mistakenly hitting
CTRL+Z instead of CTRL+Y about twenty times a day while I was using
Outlook. I keep switching between English and non-English keyboard
layouts every few minutes, and so the keyboard shortcut kept switching
its position as well. The same thing happens in The Bat with CTRL+]
and other surreal shortcuts that use keys that change their positions
depending on which national keyboard layout you're using. If you use
more than one national keyboard layout, you're lost.
Still, even a dumb stupid shortcut in Outlook style is preferable to
no shortcut at all, as is currently the case when the cursor is
located in The Bat's message body and you need to move or copy that
message into another folder. I need to do that about twice a minute.
*********************************************************
A Bat-fellow, Terry G. Munson,
wrote on Friday, July 20, 2001 at 22:01:46 (GMT -0700),
which was Saturday 7:01 a.m. in Bratislava --
A>>>> What I miss is the option to move backwards using the spacebar
A>>>> as well as forwards. Couldn't SHIFT+SPACEBAR (or, better still,
A>>>> ALT GR+SPACEBAR) be used to navigate the message body upwards,
A>>>> while SPACEBAR would continue to navigate it downwards?
TGM> Alt up arrow works fine for me.
This is too slow and not the same thing. ALT+ARROW-UP moves the
message body view one *line* up, not one *pane* up. It is one *pane*
up that is (besides pane-down) most often needed for navigating long
messages.
*********************************************************
A Bat-fellow, Devid Verfaillie,
wrote on Saturday, July 21, 2001 at 11:48:36 (GMT +0200),
which was ditto in Bratislava --
>> Spacebar is great for navigating forward, but I'd rather have
>> 'Page Up' work the message display itself rather than the
>> message list. Same with 'Page Down' for that matter.
DV> What key would you use to quickly navigate through the message
DV> list panel if page up/down works directly for the message
DV> display?
Wouldn't a combo be sufficient for that, such as CTRL+PAGE UP/DOWN or
SHIFT+PAGE UP/DOWN? And whenever the Preview pane were disabled, PAGE
UP/DOWN would automatically revert to its usual function.
A less radical solution would be if my original suggestion could
somehow be employed: make ALT GR+SPACEBAR move the message body view
up one pane, just as currently SPACEBAR moves the message body view
down one pane. Shouldn't this be easy to implement for Bat developers?
What could be the harm if it were implemented?
--
Yours,
Alex. of Slovakia
www.avenarius.sk
[flying with The Bat! 1.53d
under Windows 98 4.10 Build 2222 A
amd k6-2 500 mhz processor with 128 mb ram]
--
______________________________________________________
Archives : <http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com>
Moderators : <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
TBTech List: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
You are subscribed as : [email protected]
