Hello Thomas, On Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 6:27:54 PM you [TF] wrote (at least in part):
TF> I wonder by now whether chinanet or this other ISP in Brasil care... For sure they don't. Unless these mails come to their mailboxes. I do reject mails from servers listed in some black lists. The server admins for sure don't care as this is an automated process they're not involved in. The bounces generated got to addresses which are most the time non-existent, so not their issue too. If they're somehow clever they've set up their system for double bounces going to a black hole (I did and I'm quite more happy this way). So the only chance something changes is: complaining, complaining, complaining. Some days ago somebody wanted to contact us. His mail was not accepted because his ISPs mail server was listed in a RBL. He called, we checked, he complained at his ISP (a small one, so maybe this way everything was solved this fast), the ISP checked, we double checked and set him on a white list until he the server was unlisted. The ISPs MTA was not even a direct open relay, but a multi-hop open relay. He would not have noticed it if not somebody would have complained about not being able to send mail to some people. A Chinese postmaster of a server used by spammers will maybe not even take note of complaining mails like e.g. Spamcop sends. Have a look at Spamcop bounce statistics ... a lot of '@devnull.spamcop.net' addresses. But that doesn't matter as long as I don't get the spam because of blocking his server. If there's anybody using this server and has legal issues and is blocked by me he will complain at his postmaster. If the postmaster still don't care he has lost a customer (in most cases), because everybody that got hit in the past by our RBL understood our setup. IF he wanted to contact use normally and not by sending spam. -- Regards Peter Palmreuther mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) What do you call a fifteen year old girl coming on to the vice president? `Quayle-bait'... ________________________________________________________ Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ : http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
