Hi Thomas,
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:37:25 +0700
Thomas Fernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> And a minimum of 7 by the list server.
>> I see only 5 lines added to the body by the server :-)
>>
>> *ahhh* You refer to 7 lines in header ... :-)
>> Yes, could But I think _these_ lines are quite useful.
> You think so. Others don't. I think X-Face (1 line) is useful. You
> don't. My offer to you: I exchange 7 List-Header lines for one X-face
> line. Interested? ;-)
No. Not interested :-)
The one category of header lines offer technical information and help,
the other only "fun". Recognizing a person on a ML is usually done by
it's name, so X-Face is a pure toy.
One might find it "funny", but it's use is far behind the one of
List-headers. :-)
> You can have the footer, too.
We already to have.
Me personally don't need the list footers :-)
> Nobody reads that anyway.
Sadly the truth :-/
> How about the sig? I see no value in it, you can see my name in the
> From address.
Yes, I can.
But as you might have noticed: some signature don't contain only the
name, but maybe also a nickname (as mine sometimes do) and different
contact information or PGP-Key-IDs. These information are usually not in
"From:" header :) (or any other)
> Some people even use cookies!
Yes ... of course ... it's christmas time!!! :-))))
> These should be outlawed.
No. they're _too_ delicious :-)))
> Oh, and then, let's do away with the greeting. It is not useful.
??? You seem not to understand the meaning of an attribution line?!?
Didn't we had this discussion on any of the TB!-lists recently? :-)
> I am looking at a way to reduce the number of Received headers. Surely
> they are useful (most people check every mail about its routing), but
> maybe I should use my own SMTP server after all, connect directly to
> the recipient's server and thus reduce the number of header lines.
I do have. But you still don't have any influence on number of
"Received" lines in incoming mails :-)
But yes, I've written a program for myself to strip header lines out of
a mail. :-) It's primary use is to strip SpamAssassin headers when
submitting mails to SpamCop. As it takes the headers to strip as command
line arguments (multiple are allowed) it would be easy stip Received
headers on incoming mails too :-)
> If I do that, will you allow me one line for the X-Face?
I didn't forbid it, so I don't need to "allow" it now or later, no
matter what changed in circumstances. I just expressed my opinion it's
superfluous :-)
>> If more ml software uses them and more MUAs implement it's
>> interpretation it can be a help to list members. Especially those
>> telling the same over and over again ("Send an empty message to ...
>> to unsubscribe.", "Use the followin link to crawl through the
>> archive ...", etc, etc.)
> I absolutely agree. Those threads arising from people asking these
> things, which you know already so aren't interested in downloading,
> should be deleted on server side.
Seems you want to misunderstand or misinterpret. That's sad.
I did not say these messages should be deleted, neither server side nor
client side, just because of it's content.
I said having references for FAQs can be helpful.
I don't like the idea of typing the same answer over and over again.
I don't like creating a QT for every FAQ. So pointing the questioner to
the correct location of the answer is a possible solution.
If these pointer / reference is in message headers (inserted by list
server software) I (and others) can refer there, the answer will be
short an precise and everybody _can_ be happy.
Those with 1000+ mails per day because the number ain't increasing more
than needed with only redundant information, the others because they got
a short and exact answer to their question, instead of a 20+ mails
thread with 19 "possible ..." answers.
> After all, TB uses the ML headers correctly, so they are useful, and
> any questions superfluous.
??? Lets switch off the computer. It's superfluous. Somebody once said:
"Computers are there to solve problems we wouldn't have without them."
[source unknown] ....
I have seen a figure of a cow, applicable at the roof of a car.
It increases the factor of recognition if I drive through the city,
albeit it increases the consumption of fuel significant ... Superfluous
or necessary?????
P.S.: I smell a fish ... let's hide on TBOT before it hits :-)
--
Pit
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