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 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sat, 6 Nov 2004,
   @  @      at 09:57:05 +0100, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

>> What is "heavy" for a broadband user? I just downloaded newest version
>> of ~4,5 MB, for some 25 minutes on *dial-up*.

> Well, if you don't mind - its OK. I wouldn't like it, even though I'm
> on a DSL. :)

That's why they call you Alexander and me Mica. (-: And I like this. In
both directions. Otherwise would be boring.

> The whole update process is a bit uncomfortable. You download the
> complete installation archive at least twice a month.

Yep. Something like this. And for me is not uncomfortable, until I can
resume download (but using this way it almost never happens that
connection is interrupted for those 20-30 minutes; I don't know why...).

> My AV does all that in the background without my interaction.

There you see. While I *like* to interact with the contraption. (:

> But it isn't free, so thats the deal maybe. :-)

Yep. It is, of course, and often, and especially in the world of
software. The fact is that the price does not guarantee any quality. If
it would be different, I wouldn't buy a Candy freezer for my winter
(Native) American turkeys for about 250 Euros, instead Win XP, after I
had tried it for a month or so. (-: Man, the freezer is of 110 liters
and is full of turkeys (just two of them). I have a winter food,
something I can *remember*, and enjoy in.

Investing, that way, in software is very risky. And often silly.

>> If I would try to update it "online" it would disconnect me countless
>> times, or connection will drop in coma, the equal number of times,
>> without possibility of resuming so I'd probably have to bequeath this
>> "online" update to my progeny, using such a "method".

> Yes, their update servers are overloaded very often... which is perfectly
> understandable because they preserve their bandwidth for their paying home
> & business users.

Hmmmmmmmmmm... IMO, *no* AV is that good that should be paid for.


>> And above all, I would have firstly to *provide* some progeny. You must
>> admit, therefore, that what you subtly foreshadow has no all pros and
>> cons modestly equilibrated. (Today, we are string walkers.)

> My expectations are different that yours, thats all. I want easy & slim
> automatic updates without wading into the depths of the program, activating
> some scheduler & adding an event to it to get them automatically first
> place, and all that... it must be easy for the end user. You're an
> experienced end-user and you don't care to be bothered by long downloads
> and manual updates. Thats OK, but there's others who don't think like you.

I am all the time aware of it. (: That's the reason we exchange our
experiences and each person can choose and apply the preferred way.

>>>> There are plenty of good AV programs

>>> Actually, there are not. :) Usually less than 50% of tested AV software
>>> reach 100% detection rate...

>> I wholelungsly suspect that even ONE AV on this beautiful world in this
>> part of galaxy can do that. What we read in newspapers mainly does not
>> exist.

> So you rely on vague statements like "there are plenty of good AV
> programs" made on some mailing list?

:) Quite contrarily, this statement of mine, I exposed on a mailing
list, comes from experience I had with AV programs, which I rely on.

> I prefer programs to be tested in an equal environment... that
> environment may be different with each test, but it shows performers
> and non-performers.

Agree. That's the experience.

>> "Encrypted channels"? What's that? Teach me. Please. (:

> Using an SSL-encrypted POP3 or IMAP connection to your mailserver for
> security and/or privacy reasons.

Ah, that. OK. Thanks.

>> Btw, once a single message is in a message base (files TBB) no AV will be
>> able to recognize any virus, since all of them (if attachments are
>> stored in same file) are then in plain text format. (-; Catch-22.

> Actually, it would be pretty bad for a virus scanner to not recognize
> base64 or uu-encoded inline attachments in a message(base). Most do.

KAV couldn't, NOD-32 couldn't, PC-Sillyn couldn't, F-prot couldn't...
Try this and see yourself. Put a virus file as an attachment in a new
message, save it in Outbox, and scan the respective TBB file/the message
base. Will show nothing. Check directly out the attachment in TB, and AV
will react.

I have to throw some turkey slices (from my Candy freezer I bought for
about 250 Euros, for my winter [Native] American turkeys, instead Win
XP, after I had tried it for a month or so) on the grill now. Hungry. (:
You are welcome to participate. (-:

- --
Mica
PGP key uploaded at: <http://pgp.mit.edu/> once just before breakfast
:happypiglet:
[Earth LOG: 66 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing]
OS: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium
    with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux;
    and, for TB sometimes Libranet (Linux) 2.8.1, via Cross Over Office
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