Hi all, Added new reason to the campaign:
Problem #5. Isolated research is not happy research. Imagine you get instant feedback to your research from scientists in your domain all around the world! http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/replacing-scientific-conferences-with-a-cheap-and-effic.html (may take some time to appear in the petition.) Cheers, Pars On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 8:37 AM, Pars Mutaf <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Joe Touch <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi, all, >> >> With my TCCC Chair hat on: >> >> >> On 10/30/2011 11:24 PM, Pars Mutaf wrote: >> >>> Dear researcher, >>> >>> A mediocre quality scientific conference costs ~1M dollars to the world >>> just for registration fees. >>> >> >> FYI, without judging what is mediocre, $1M USD is a conference of around >> 1,000-2,000 people. >> >> >> Millions of dollars are spent each year for a few reviews and after >>> waiting >>> long months. >>> >> >> Direct review cost are minimal - some websites charge, others are free. >> Other services cost - e.g., plagiarism checks. >> >> However, this is clearly not a direct cost estimate. >> >> We discussed these cost issues on this list, and posted a summary on the >> TCCC website. As we discussed, there are other benefits to in-person >> meetings that include: >> - opportunity for personal networking >> - opportunity for in-person exchanges at a group presentation >> - publication of your work in a recognized, publicized, and >> distributed proceedings >> >> There may be merit to open on-line research. I hope this discussion can >> proceed with the context of previously learned understanding of real >> conference costs. >> >> > Right. A possible approach is: > > 1. Install the new system gradually in several sites like arxiv.orgaugmented > with public review. (i.e. as an addition to the current system) > 2. See if the conferences (or which ones) still have their importance > > In this approach scientists decide and the change is smooth (and > unpredictable). > > Conferences may have the benefits that are listed above. The problem is > being tied to conferences just for receiving feedback. Currently it is the > only way to receive feedback. **From this angle** conferences have very low > benefit/cost ratio (even for accepted work). Very limited feedback is > received and after waiting long months. > > Pars > > http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/replacing-scientific-conferences-with-a-cheap-and-effic.html > > > > > Joe (TCCC Chair) >> > > _______________________________________________ IEEE Communications Society Tech. Committee on Computer Communications (TCCC) - for discussions on computer networking and communication. [email protected] https://lists.cs.columbia.edu/cucslists/listinfo/tccc
