Hi All, Just a litle example:
IEEE ICC 2012: Deadline for paper submission : 30/09/2011 Deadline for Review : 05-08/09/2011 Notification : 09/01/2012 Camera Ready : 10/02/2012 Conference : 10-15/06/2012 Publication : August'12 in the best case. Now, The paper has been in review for 5-6 weeks, but it will take about a year to hope for the paper to be available online for "spreading this new knowledge". My two cents. Noster On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Luigi Iannone < [email protected]> wrote: > > On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:46 , Pars Mutaf wrote: > > [snip] > >> I think you should clearly expose the rules of your system, I really > >> do not understand how does it work. > >> > > > > Hi Emmanuel, > > > > Normally you should come with answer not questions (it is not only my > > idea). > > I mean: Question the current system not the new one to come. > > > > Pars, > > Why should we trust your system without questioning it? > If that is what you want why you are opening the discussion on this > mailing list? > > Let me take advantage of this mail to raise another point (please correct > me if I misunderstood your model). > > You stated several times that conferences take too long to provide > feedback. > > How much time do you think will take in your open system for a paper to > have sufficient review feedback so that it can become a meaningful > publication? > > I mean, the fact that you post online a paper does not make the paper > automatically correct, interesting, or actually providing a real > contribution. So I wouldn't consider it a real publication that can be > referenced until either I review it myself (but I cannot review all the > papers I cite in my publications) or I wait that someone else does the > review. > > And what are the incentives to review in your model? Why should I actually > spend time on your paper? > > In conferences and journals there an organizational infrastructure that > guarantees me that as I do review for others people articles other people > will review my paper. In your open system it may happens that I spend time > reviewing papers and nobody will ever have a look at my papers. > > ciao > > Luigi > > > > > > http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/replacing-scientific-conferences-with-a-cheap-and-effic.html > > Pars > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Emmanuel > >> > >> > >>> Pars > >>> > >>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Usman Ashraf < > >> [email protected]>wrote: > >>> > >>>> Dear All, > >>>> > >>>> Is there a point that I'm missing? why don't we just submit our work > to > >> a > >>>> reputed journal for feedback? > >>>> Most reputed journals don't charge anything, don't cost as much as > >>>> conferences and provide us with a decent feedback. > >>>> > >>>> regards > >>>> Usman. > >>>> > >>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 09:43:11 +0200 > >>>>> From: [email protected] > >>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>> CC: [email protected] > >>>>> Subject: [Tccc] Requesting open feedback to my work (Re: Promoting > >> open > >>>> on-line research) > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi all, > >>>>> > >>>>> Could you please send feedback for the following work. I don't want > to > >>>>> submit it to conferences just for feedback. I would therefore need > >> your > >>>>> opinion: > >>>>> > >>>>> http://arxiv.org/abs/1103.5115 > >>>>> > >>>>> Or, please point me to me to a list working on this kind of topic. > >>>>> > >>>>> Pars > >>>>> > >>>>> PS: Based on the below idea, this is a test for open research. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Joe Touch <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 11/1/2011 11:37 PM, Pars Mutaf wrote: > >>>>>> ... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Conferences may have the benefits that are listed above. The > >> problem is > >>>>>>> being tied to conferences just for receiving feedback. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It's useful to appreciate that it has always been possible to write > >>>> drafts > >>>>>> and tech reports and post them - either via direct email, or to > >> lists* > >>>> for > >>>>>> discussion or feedback. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> *This list in particular is intended for exactly this kind of > >>>> discussion; > >>>>>> we are often overrun with CFPs, but they is NOT the primary > >> motivation > >>>> for > >>>>>> this list.* > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Joe (TCCC Chair) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> *it's more useful to post only the abstract, not the full text or > >> PDF > >>>> FWIW. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> *there are many IEEE Comsoc TCs; it's always useful to post your > >> ideas > >>>> to > >>>>>> the TC most specific to your work. > >>>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> IEEE Communications Society Tech. 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