On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Sakib Pathan <[email protected]>wrote:
> Asking question is the way of clarifying doubt. All created things > following the laws of space and time must be flawed. Hence, both current > and the proposed systems will have flaws. While some of the points > mentioned here ( > http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/replacing-scientific-conferences-with-a-cheap-and-effic.html) > seem to be reasonable, I see some critical problems. May be I am again > asking the same questions others already have put forward. > > 1. Though the idea of “on-line archive” seems to be attractive, such > centralization in digital world could draw numerous numbers of submissions > to a single archive that could be again left for long time without reviews! > How many “on-line archives” should be there? > > 2. If Step 3: “When the community and authors decide that the article is > ready for publication, the authors submit it to a journal using the current > system. The article is published with their names.” is followed, the same > problem of taking long time exists. What is meant by ‘community’? How many > people/scientists? > > 3. Previously it was noted that a scientific conference does not only > provide a forum for scientific researchers, but also many things could be > learnt from direct human-to-human communications that you might not find in > your own surroundings or in the digital world. Sitting in from of the > monitor does not give the idea how much a work could scale to a different > infrastructure and settings. > > 4. While blocking conference travel might save money, reduce carbon > emission, and provide other facilities, the learning from a different > setting or environment will be less or none, which will hamper the actual > scientific progress that could be applied overall for the mankind. > > *The better idea could be: * > > 1. Keep the conferences as they are now (online or physical). People may > or may not attend, local or international (based on capability). > > 2. Submit your works to the archive systems. If people are interested, > they will automatically read those. It would be rather better to make some > system that announces arrival of such-and-such paper in the digital > archive. We should have choice of topics so that papers are notified to us > using some filtering system. Then, I will have choice to read it or not, > comment it or not. > > 3. Naturally go for journals for publication. > > Yes this my opinion too.. We just need to augment archive systems with online discussion. Personally, if I see a paper in which I am interested I give feedback without waiting anything in return. This comes naturally from the need to talk about the topic. Because I like the topic. Cheers, Pars > Best Regards, > Sakib > http://staff.iium.edu.my/sakib/ > > > On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Pars Mutaf <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Emmanuel Lochin >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> > On 3 November 2011 09:45, Pars Mutaf <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > Hi Usman, >> > > >> > > The method you are suggesting means that we need to wait 6 months for >> > > feedback (3-5 reviews). >> > >> > Hi Pars, >> > >> > Why do you think it would be faster with your proposal? >> > I saw that you requested a review for one of your paper, but how long >> > you expect to get real reviews? I mean, not from your friends, >> > colleagues or collaborators. >> > Who is going to stand whether the reviewer is skilled or not? >> > If the reviewer is not anonymous, who would risk to send a review that >> > might be qualified as bad by the author or another person? >> > >> > I think you should clearly expose the rules of your system, I really >> > do not understand how does it work. >> > >> >> Hi Emmanuel, >> >> Normally you should come with answer not questions (it is not only my >> idea). >> I mean: Question the current system not the new one to come. >> >> >> http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/replacing-scientific-conferences-with-a-cheap-and-effic.html >> Pars >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Emmanuel >> > >> > >> > > Pars >> > > >> > > On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Usman Ashraf < >> > [email protected]>wrote: >> > > >> > >> Dear All, >> > >> >> > >> Is there a point that I'm missing? why don't we just submit our work >> to >> > a >> > >> reputed journal for feedback? >> > >> Most reputed journals don't charge anything, don't cost as much as >> > >> conferences and provide us with a decent feedback. >> > >> >> > >> regards >> > >> Usman. >> > >> >> > >> > Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 09:43:11 +0200 >> > >> > From: [email protected] >> > >> > To: [email protected] >> > >> > CC: [email protected] >> > >> > Subject: [Tccc] Requesting open feedback to my work (Re: Promoting >> > open >> > >> on-line research) >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi all, >> > >> > >> > >> > Could you please send feedback for the following work. I don't >> want to >> > >> > submit it to conferences just for feedback. I would therefore need >> > your >> > >> > opinion: >> > >> > >> > >> > http://arxiv.org/abs/1103.5115 >> > >> > >> > >> > Or, please point me to me to a list working on this kind of topic. >> > >> > >> > >> > Pars >> > >> > >> > >> > PS: Based on the below idea, this is a test for open research. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Joe Touch <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > On 11/1/2011 11:37 PM, Pars Mutaf wrote: >> > >> > > ... >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Conferences may have the benefits that are listed above. The >> > problem is >> > >> > >> being tied to conferences just for receiving feedback. >> > >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > It's useful to appreciate that it has always been possible to >> write >> > >> drafts >> > >> > > and tech reports and post them - either via direct email, or to >> > lists* >> > >> for >> > >> > > discussion or feedback. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > *This list in particular is intended for exactly this kind of >> > >> discussion; >> > >> > > we are often overrun with CFPs, but they is NOT the primary >> > motivation >> > >> for >> > >> > > this list.* >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Joe (TCCC Chair) >> > >> > > >> > >> > > *it's more useful to post only the abstract, not the full text or >> > PDF >> > >> FWIW. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > *there are many IEEE Comsoc TCs; it's always useful to post your >> > ideas >> > >> to >> > >> > > the TC most specific to your work. >> > >> > > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > IEEE Communications Society Tech. 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Committee on Computer Communications >> (TCCC) - for discussions on computer networking and communication. >> [email protected] >> https://lists.cs.columbia.edu/cucslists/listinfo/tccc >> > > > > -- > Al-Sakib Khan Pathan, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor & FYP Coordinator > Department of Computer Science > Kulliyyah (Faculty) of Information and Communication Technology > International Islamic University Malaysia (IIUM) > > Jalan Gombak, 53100, Kuala Lumpur, MALAYSIA > Tel: +603-61964000 Ext. 5653, Cell: +60163910754 > E-Mails: [email protected], [email protected] > > URLs: > http://staff.iium.edu.my/sakib/ > https://sites.google.com/site/spathansite/ > > _______________________________________________ IEEE Communications Society Tech. Committee on Computer Communications (TCCC) - for discussions on computer networking and communication. [email protected] https://lists.cs.columbia.edu/cucslists/listinfo/tccc
